What do you feel is wrong with atheism? (beliefs, atheist)

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by GadFly

Since posting my now famous list of things that I do not like about atheism, this list also means I do not like these traits in individual atheist, Christians and/or fringe dwellers. Fringe dwellers are people who are never able to stand for anything. One day they are for, and the next day, they are not sure, and finally, if somebody upsets them, they threaten to go the other way. It's like saying I was going to be a Christian, but Charity hurt my feelings or like saying I was going to be an atheist, but Mball made me mad. I use these two because they disagree but are still great friends. They are not fringe dwellers. Being a fringe dweller is not the same as contemplating your decision to be; its like setting on eggs until they rote; and then, throwing them at people who take a real position when they pass by. All these people do is stink up the barn yard. They don't take a position, they just stay in a realm of doubt about what they believe and threaten to go to the other side if you don't measure up to what they don't think. If you don't want to discuss such issues, why belong to this forum? If you don't want to put your ideas before others to be challenged or discussed, you do not have to post any of your ideas. As far as I know, one can be a member of this forum to simply read the threads.

You don't have to put yourself above everybody else because you are not committed to a specific idea. It is not weakness to apologize if you make a mistake. On this type of forum, especially when a Christian or atheist ask for a response from the other side, tempers will fly (no pun intended) out of control. Things will be said that hurt feelings. That is life, but let's give each other a chance to apologize and reason things out. None of us are fools but sometimes there are reasons to doubt that.
11. Too many fringe dwellers attach themselves to atheist.
12. I especially dislike that atheist say there is no evidence of the supernatural, especially when I am pointing out what this evidence is. (You would not consider giving that up, would you? I didn't think so).
13. Shifting premises in logical debates while claiming to be the more logical person for not believing in God.
14. Telling me that science does not support non-material things.
15. I do not like atheist stereotyping Christians of being narrow minded and unjust because of conservative beliefs. Profiling has fallen into disrepute except when it comes to Christians by some atheist.

Please add these to my list and if I think of more things I do not like about atheism, I will feel welcome here to tell you about these as I fly around.
GadFly

16. I do not like Christians using "atheist" as the plural of "atheist".

[GadFly]

Originally Posted by mball1297

16. I do not like Christians using "atheist" as the plural of "atheist".

Well, flies are slow learners but if I practice, practice, and practice... man I am still trying to learn to land without sticking to honey.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by GadFly

Well, flies are slow learners but if I practice, practice, and practice... man I am still trying to learn to land without sticking to honey.

sticking to honey....hmm

[GadFly]

I have come up with another thing to add to my list of why I do not like atheism. I must start at 17 since mball took over number 16.
17. I do not like it when atheist ridicule Christians. In fact, I do not like it when Christians ridicule atheist either. When you ridicule someone else you only show your ignorance of the facts. I think most atheist would agree with me about this and I think that most atheist believe in the Golden Rule in principle; what do you think?

[texan1]

Originally Posted by GadFly

I have come up with another thing to add to my list of why I do not like atheism. I must start at 17 since mball took over number 16.
17. I do not like it when atheist ridicule Christians. In fact, I do not like it when Christians ridicule atheist either. When you ridicule someone else you only show your ignorance of the facts. I think most atheist would agree with me about this and I think that most atheist believe in the Golden Rule in principle; what do you think?

Yes, I would agree with this.

[Fat Old Sun]

Originally Posted by GadFly

1. Like any religion can be, atheism is not always controlled by reason, logic and facts. You may disagree with me but in this forum, I find most atheist have an emotional ax to grind. Their belief may be based on another person's hypocritical behavior or some other bad experience, like the death of a child or loved one. All these are bad experiences for which it would be just as easy to blame Satan or fate as God.
2. Atheist solve the problem of evil and good by ignoring it or believing evil does not exist.
3. Atheist do not offer a stable criteria for morality other than humanism, which is probably the most unstable standard or moral behavior. It is kin to might makes right or goes along with survival theories.
4. Evils such as communism, socialism, racial prejudice, mercy killings, state supremacy, etc. are promoted by atheism.
5. Atheism offers no reason to provide for your fellow man.
6. The golden mean is absurd in atheism.
7. Headism has a higher value than love in atheism.
8. There is no ontology in the philosophy of atheism.
9. Epistemological systems tend to fail in atheism.
10. Cosmology can not be adequately explained in atheism.
There are more things I do not like about atheism but that is a good start.
GadFly

There is one glaring problem with atheism. Most people have not a clue what it is.

Okay, so that is actually a problem with people, not atheism, but the point still stands. Atheism encompasses one thing and one thing only ... no belief in god.

As you have so clearly illustrated, like many others, you have tried to impose characteristics and criteria for distinguishing religions on a belief in no religion. I know that it is much more difficult to criticize if you don't build it into something it is not for the purposes of tearing it down, but life sucks like that sometimes. Hammering square pegs into round holes is best left to the doctrine and dogma of religion.

[GadFly]

Originally Posted by Fat Old Sun

There is one glaring problem with atheism. Most people have not a clue what it is.

Okay, so that is actually a problem with people, not atheism, but the point still stands. Atheism encompasses one thing and one thing only ... no belief in god.

As you have so clearly illustrated, like many others, you have tried to impose characteristics and criteria for distinguishing religions on a belief in no religion. I know that it is much more difficult to criticize if you don't build it into something it is not for the purposes of tearing it down, but life sucks like that sometimes. Hammering square pegs into round holes is best left to the doctrine and dogma of religion.

It sounds like I agree with you if I understand what you said. In my list, the things mentioned, some of which I would not try to defend, are simply things I do not like about atheism. It does not make these true or untrue. I just don't like these. Flies are allowed to be prejudice too. That also is a civil liberty.

[Father Heathen]

Want to know what I hate about people who don't believe in unicorns?

1.) Don't use turn signals in traffic.
2.) Commit atrocities such as genocide.
3.) Talk in movie theaters.
4.) Commit acts of fraud and embezzlement.
5.) Put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.
6.) Have been known to rape and murder.
7.) Screw up drive-thru fastfood orders.
8.) Make up **** about other peoples' beliefs.
9.) Their politicians are corrupt liars.

In conclusion, people who don't believe in unicorns are amoral scum!

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

Want to know what I hate about people who don't believe in unicorns?

1.) Don't use turn signals in traffic.
2.) Commit atrocities such as genocide.
3.) Talk in movie theaters.
4.) Commit acts of fraud and embezzlement.
5.) Put empty milk cartons back in the fridge.
6.) Have been known to rape and murder.
7.) Screw up drive-thru fastfood orders.
8.) Make up **** about other peoples' beliefs.
9.) Their politicians are corrupt liars.

In conclusion, people who don't believe in unicorns are amoral scum!

Got that right!!

[Fat Old Sun]

Originally Posted by The Last Scion

what is wrong with atheism- it is a bunch of misguided bigots who have found the exact thing they seek- a cosmos without a "Kosmocrater

Again, no basis for this than your own ill informed prejudice. If you are here for no other purpose than to hurl your own feces, take it to the zoo with the rest of the chimps.