Chrisitans: The Trinity vs Godhead and Justice vs Mercy (Jesus Christ, salvation)

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Who says God limits his revelation to the bible alone? You make that false assumption.

whoa, whoa, hold on , back up the bus....

you are saying that his revelation does nto come from the bible alone? please explain how this is in line with your other posts on a different thread regarding no more revelation beyond the death of the apostle John?

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

A) No, Trinitarian Christians are not polytheists, we are Trinitarian monotheists...

B) Being a polytheist does not necessitate idol worship...

A) so you aren't a christian, you're a trinitarian. right?

B) correct i agree, although most polytheists do make idols and worship them.

[Captain Civic]

Originally Posted by 123

ofcourse the moment u say trinity ,it is indeed an insult to islam ,it's the greatest abuse ever.....

You understand that people here have their religion insulted constantly, right? Most people who get offended usually have the restraint to let it go, especially people like penguino who gets constant misunderstood and ignorant statements about Hinduism. It happens to me as a Christian; people insult Jesus, but I don't go crazy on them.

the other meaning of the word 'analogy' is also 'comparison'.....now ur analogy is such.. but my analogy is like this....so analogy actually is a personal perspective.......understanding god through analaogy in my opinion is ridiculous....it doesnt serve any purpose.........god didnt say unserstand me through ur analogy......

Analogies don't serve to lower the subject. They help to create understanding in a context that is simpler to understand. If someone can then understand the prinicple behind the analogy, they can transfer a similar understanding to the subject of which they could not understand to begin with.

I'm hardly saying God's importance is directly correlated to the value of human organs.

abusing a dead man makes little sense.....but correcting some1 whos spreading a wrong message in alive state makes more sense to me.........

Again, tolerance. You can say you disagree with me. Not that I'm wrong, I insult your faith and you start putting words in my mouth.

I believe your faith is wrong. So perhaps I should attack you or anyone who has even a slightly different view to mine?

[Mister Emu]

you are saying that his revelation does nto come from the bible alone? please explain how this is in line with your other posts on a different thread regarding no more revelation beyond the death of the apostle John?

Public revelation...

A) so you aren't a christian, you're a trinitarian. right?

That isn't at all what I said...

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Public revelation...


That isn't at all what I said...

But you don't believe that Christ is the Son of God, you think he is God. and you believe int he Trinity so how can you be a "Christian" when the entomology of the word comes from the name "Christ."

But you don't believe Christ was Christ the Son of God, you believe Christ was God. so wouldn't you be a "Godian" if not a "Trinitarian?"

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by 123

ONE:
OH YES !! prostitution is exnhage of money for sex....tht is exactly wat was happening...

Like I said, you really need to look up the definition of prostitution.
By your definition, marriage is prostitution.

Originally Posted by 123

TWO:
ur point number TWO AND SIX CONTRADICT ur own self ...in two u say the seven
letter word is bad according to me, and in point six u expect the filter to sensor the word very obviously because it is a foul word....

Others agreeing with your opinion does not make your opinion anything more than an opinion.

Originally Posted by 123

For example, between father and daughter,son and mother, father-in-law and daughter-in-law,brother and sister, etc. INCEST IN GOD'S BOOK BETWEEN A FATHER AND HIS DAUGHTERS
That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him ...
"The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let's get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him ...
"In this way both of Lot's daughters became PREGNANT by their father.
" GENESIS 19:33-35 (From the "Good News Bible- In Today's English").
In the older Versions, like the King James and the Roman Catholic Versions, "SEXUAL INTERCOURSE"
is vaguely described as "COLLECTING THE SEED OF
OUR FATHER."

The father was drugged and then taken advantage of.
Who is doing the "allowing"?

Originally Posted by 123

INCEST BETWEEN MOTHER AND SON:

(b) "While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land,Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUALINTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father's concubine.
GENESIS 35:22.
The older Versions of the Bible, use the word, "lay" for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

And where does this say that they were mother and son?
Do you know what a concubine is?

Originally Posted by 123

INCEST BETWEEN FATHER-IN-LAW AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW:
(c) "When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. "He went over to her at the side
of the road and said, "ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU
CHARGE?" (He did not know that she was his daughter-in-law) {The words in parenthesis i.e. within brackets from He did not know to daughter-in-law are not in the original Hebrew manuscripts. They are the editors
g loss.} She said, what will you give me?" (To have sex with me) 'He answered,
I WILL SEND YOU A YOUNG GOAT FROM MY FLOCK "
She said, "All right, if you will give me something to keep as a pledge until you send the ,goat. ' . . He gave them (the pledges) to her. Then had INTERCOURSE, and she became pregnant GENESIS 38: 15-18 (Quoted from the ''Good News
Bible"). CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ''KETURAH" (the third wife of Abraham). Out of this incestuous relationship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who
were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ see Matthew 1:3;
"And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar . . .

unless you can present something that shows these IN LAWS are blood related, it is not incest.

Originally Posted by 123

CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ''KETURAH" (the third wife of Abraham)

No they are not:

802 is the Strong's number for wife:

H802
נשׁים אשּׁה
'ishshâh nâshîym
ish-shaw', naw-sheem'
The first form is the feminine of H376 or H582; the second form is an irregular plural; a woman (used in the same wide sense as H582).: - [adulter]ess, each, every, female, X many, + none, one, + together, wife, woman. Often unexpressed in English.

H802
נשׁים / אשּׁה
'ishshâh / nâshîym
BDB Definition:
1) woman, wife, female
1a) woman (opposite of man)
1b) wife (woman married to a man)
1c) female (of animals)
1d) each, every (pronoun)
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H376 or H582
Same Word by TWOT Number: 137a

The Strong's number for concubine is 6370:

H6370
פּלגשׁ פּילגשׁ
pîylegesh pilegesh
pee-leh'-ghesh, pee-leh'-ghesh
Of uncertain derivation; a concubine; also (masculine) a paramour: - concubine, paramour.

H6370
פּלגשׁ / פּילגשׁ
pîylegesh / pilegesh
BDB Definition:
1) concubine, paramour
1a) concubine
1b) paramour
Part of Speech: noun feminine

Originally Posted by 123

INCEST AND RAPE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER
(d) " . . he took hold of her (Thamar, his sister, not to be confused with Tamar in "c" above,, and said unto her, Come lie with me (have sex with me), my sister. "And she answered him, Nay, my brother(Amnon, one of the sons of David, the man after
God's own heart) do not force me . . . "But he would not listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he overpowered her and RAPED her
(his sister). " 2 Samuel 13:5-14

He raped her.
How is this "allowing' again?

Originally Posted by 123

WHOLESALE RAPE AND INCEST BETWEEN SON AND HIS MOTHERS!
(e) So they set up a tent for Absalom (another son of King David) on the palace roof, and in the sight of everyone,Absalom went in and had INTERCOURSE with his
father's concubines " 2 SAMUELS 16:22 ". . . In the sight of every one" is rendered in
the King James Version as "in the sight of all Israel." This is a fulfillment of God's promise to David the King:
"Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee (David) out of thine own house, and I will take THY WIVES before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor (actually thy son) and he shall lie (have sexual intercourse) with
thy wives in the sight of sun (for the whole world to watch the fun).
For thou didst it secretly (with Bath-Sheba the wife of Uriah): but I will do this thing before ALL Israel, and before the sun." 2 Samuel 12:11-12

There you are with that word concubine again.

Originally Posted by 123

FOUR AND FIVE:
Well if ur children can listen all tht , they r definitely very brave...because im only 19
and on reading all this it sends jitters down my spine.....

To each there own.

What I find interesting is that you felt the need to present anything more than the verses address.
Seems it was merely for the appeal to emotion.

[Scott C.]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about the Trinity?