what is death? (soul, prophet, heaven, verse, Allah)

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Reverend Chris

Why do you feel this way?

I find that promise of an afterlive always seem to involve having to give up something that gives happiness whilst we are alive. The general view is that life isn't as important as the afterlive, which must cheapen life. A lot of religions promote this. If you have to give something up to get into the afterlive then you are cheapen life.
Of course this is all just my personal view.

[Reverend Chris]

Originally Posted by Panda

I find that promise of an afterlive always seem to involve having to give up something that gives happiness whilst we are alive. The general view is that life isn't as important as the afterlive, which must cheapen life. A lot of religions promote this. If you have to give something up to get into the afterlive then you are cheapen life.
Of course this is all just my personal view.

We all have an afterlife, nothing has to be given up. we are here to learn lessons and help each other. Some call this life a test but it is actually an experience. Man has created his own twist to control people by saying you have to be good enough but this is of course mans idea not reality.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Reverend Chris

We all have an afterlife, nothing has to be given up. we are here to learn lessons and help each other. Some call this life a test but it is actually an experience. Man has created his own twist to control people by saying you have to be good enough but this is of course mans idea not reality.

How do you know it is made up by man? Why can't the entire afterlife concept be made up by man?
I think the problem here Chris is that you believe in an afterlife and I don't, so we can never agree and we won't know who is right until we die, still I do hope it is you that is right.

[Reverend Chris]

Originally Posted by Panda

How do you know it is made up by man? Why can't the entire afterlife concept be made up by man?
I think the problem here Chris is that you believe in an afterlife and I don't, so we can never agree and we won't know who is right until we die, still I do hope it is you that is right.

Good question. I have read and heard 100's of near death experiences and they are somewhat similar in nature. So I believe in an afterlife or rather another existence. I choose to throw out what was written centuries ago for advanced technology in medicine which make NDE's more prevalent.

[Panda]

How valid are theses NDE's? I mean by nature humans are very conforming, could some of these accounts in fact stem from people believing that they should have a NDE and therefore their brain facilitates it for them, and as they have heard about others the brain basis it on that idea?
I'm no expert on this though so I could be wrong.

[Reverend Chris]

Originally Posted by Panda

How valid are theses NDE's? I mean by nature humans are very conforming, could some of these accounts in fact stem from people believing that they should have a NDE and therefore their brain facilitates it for them, and as they have heard about others the brain basis it on that idea?
I'm no expert on this though so I could be wrong.

I asked the same questions you are.

The NDE reports come from all religions and from atheist. Most people don't know anything about an NDE's so it is not and expected experience for the majority.

NDE reports also are compelling that experiencer's can give accounts of what went on during no brain activity (clinically dead).

So to answer your questions I believe many NDE's a valid accounts.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Reverend Chris

NDE reports also are compelling that experiencer's can give accounts of what went on during no brain activity (clinically dead).

There are accounts of people being declared clinically dead when the person is in fact still alive and aware. The machines used to measure brain activity are not 100% accurate, they are close to it but not entirely accurate. Perhaps NDE are a result of the brain being very minutely active?
I'm just throwing ideas around I am not an expert.

[Reverend Chris]

Originally Posted by Panda

There are accounts of people being declared clinically dead when the person is in fact still alive and aware. The machines used to measure brain activity are not 100% accurate, they are close to it but not entirely accurate. Perhaps NDE are a result of the brain being very minutely active?
I'm just throwing ideas around I am not an expert.

If it is proof you are searching for I have none. NDEer's answered many of my questions that theologists could not.

But when rigamortis sets in I would call that dead and there is one NDE I can think of who had rigamortis.

[Jeremiah]

Fear of death or an instinctual attachment to life. Human are in a rock and a hard place by mere chance they have been granted a brain that sees their death. But as a vital function of survival they fear death. This puts the human is a very odd predicament. Their instinct tells them to avoid perceived dangers and as the human grows and comes to clearer understanding of the nature of life and death. It becomes apparent that they are by time alone heading straight towards their demise. So their survival instincts kick in and they are pushed to find a safer path. Therefore the human looks into other options more readily than what is most probable.

But should not absolute death hold more sway over a person? It is by far the most threatening and realistic concept. I would bet that given the choice to renounce all claims of life after death or to be killed on the spot. Most people would renounce any and all claims to life after death with in a heartbeat. Why? Because instinct (fear) tells them it is the safest path at that time.

I would most likely quake in my boots were death to come knocking but I have come to accept that I will die. To me death is the arrival of a long wait friend.