Why is Satan bad? (atheist, bible, God, Christian, Christ)

[newcastle]

Originally Posted by Darkness

If Satan is the Adversary and God is the God of the Bible, Satan is most likely the good one.

What if satan is the god of the bible, would you still love and be faithful to him?

What if the true God just kept himself busy making sure the sun shines, the rain falls
and that there is an abundent supply of oxygen for you to breath. While HE waits with
patience for you to seek HIM.

[SERVANTOFSET]

What does that mean?

[Somkid]

Look up the history of Satan it may change your mind.

[Ephratah7]

Satan rebelled!

[look3467]

There is good and there is evil.
God is associated with good and the devil with evil.

And mankind has the potential to do both!

We are managers of good and evil, and we alone have the choice of which to exercises.

It was designed that way so we would choose the good over the evil, given the opportunity to.

To choose the good,follows is of God , so naturally, God is the object.

To choose evil, follows that it is of the devil, or Satan because of the Adversary nature of the evil side.

But without evil present, good is no good. So, the adversary nature of the flesh against what is good is what is Satan.

Satan is simply a name given to that condition, and not to a special entity, for we ourselves cannot blame Satan for our own misbehaviors.

We.....we are responsible for our own sins, if we give in to the desires of the flesh.

If, you as a believer in what you want to term Satan, and do nothing but good, than what evil are you doing verses one who believes in God and does good as well?

Now, if you as a Satanist believer, choose to do harm, to destroy or to inflict pain on your brother, than the name fits, for the desires of the flesh is what drives the heart.

The same goes for a Christian, who chooses to do evil in the name of his religion, he also is condemned in heart for the fleshly desires.

So, because a bad witness hath Gods name been blasphemed because of the flesh, many choose not to associated themselves with Gods name, and choose a different name: as in Satan.

Hope that helps give some understanding as to what the real issue is, in having faith, believing in something and practicing a religion, and that is that love must be the basis for your exercises.
If not, then neither the Christian or the Satanist are creditable.

Peace>>>AJ

[nawab]

well, I would just like to inquire that if God is playing wargames with Satan then why should should Satan be bad, for instance if i play war games with a robot i created. who is bad and who is good it doesnt really makes sense

I beleive that Satan did not obeyed the command of God almighty by not confirming Adams superiority, He made an agreement with God almighty that to let him live for ever in return for his worship he had done before and he will prove to God almighty that Adam/Human creation is not the fitest creation. But Satan beleives in God, he fears him but he diverts us humans because it is our test of faith, our exam to either Heaven or Hell. So God said to him go and outcast shall you be till the day of resurrection, you shall not die and who so ever listens to you shall follow you to Hell. Satan cannot be Gods enemy, God can creat a million Satans and just finish them without even uttering the wrod, Gods power is unlimited and is beyond comprehension, Satan is just like any trial for us humans. Satan still worships God but diverts you from worshiping because he has to proof his point. e.g.

On the day of judgement you will stand in trial in front of God and God will ask you why did you had alcohol but we all will be trembeling because of fear and we all will start blaming each other but eventually you will come up with that it was Satan who made me do it. and Satan will say to God, Bear me witness i fear you, you know that, this human was deluded away from the truth. God will send you to Hell. remember Satan is already bound to Hell for not confirming Adams superiority but he asked for a eternal life in return of his worship and said he would confirm to God that Humans are Gods only mistake they can be diverted from the truth because of knowledge. so God told him who followed you will be led to eternal fire.

I was just posting my beliefs, if you guys have any comments lets share

[look3467]

Originally Posted by nawab

well, I would just like to inquire that if God is playing wargames with Satan then why should should Satan be bad, for instance if i play war games with a robot i created. who is bad and who is good it doesnt really makes sense

I believe that Satan did not obeyed the command of God almighty by not confirming Adams superiority, He made an agreement with God almighty that to let him live for ever in return for his worship he had done before and he will prove to God almighty that Adam/Human creation is not the fittest creation. But Satan believes in God, he fears him but he diverts us humans because it is our test of faith, our exam to either Heaven or Hell. So God said to him go and outcast shall you be till the day of resurrection, you shall not die and who so ever listens to you shall follow you to Hell. Satan cannot be Gods enemy, God can create a million Satan's and just finish them without even uttering the word, Gods power is unlimited and is beyond comprehension, Satan is just like any trial for us humans. Satan still worships God but diverts you from worshiping because he has to proof his point. e.g.

On the day of judgment you will stand in trial in front of God and God will ask you why did you had alcohol but we all will be trembling because of fear and we all will start blaming each other but eventually you will come up with that it was Satan who made me do it. and Satan will say to God, Bear me witness i fear you, you know that, this human was deluded away from the truth. God will send you to Hell. remember Satan is already bound to Hell for not confirming Adams superiority but he asked for a eternal life in return of his worship and said he would confirm to God that Humans are Gods only mistake they can be diverted from the truth because of knowledge. so God told him who followed you will be led to eternal fire.

I was just posting my beliefs, if you guys have any comments lets share

I want to credit you with the possibility of an open mind.
Yes, it maybe as you say for the purposes of your beliefs.

And this life being a test, yes it is.

We were subjected to this test unwillingly, but at the same time we were given hope.

The hope is that we would choose the good rather than the evil but not before first acquire knowledge of understanding of who God is and how we relate to Him.

To me, it is found in the bible and to you the Koran.

If, we both exercises the good in love, then all is settled with God, for by my beliefs, Jesus took the stigma of eternal separation (Death) from us and granted (Gifted) us with life.

Meaning that there is no difference between Jew, Gentile, Christian or Muslim.

The only difference is in our behavior one to wards the other.

This world is the Satan (Adversary) that we must overcome if we so desire, but we must first seek Gods help in it, and to that end is God glorified.

Peace>>>AJ

[nawab]

But I thought according to Chrsitian doctrine you have to beleive in John 3:16 to be saved but it seems only christians beleive this doctrine, most of them dont even beleive in Jesus like Jews, Gentiles, Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, so how about for them are they bound to hell as well from the teachings of the Church, bible or Christianity as a whole.

[look3467]

[quote=nawab;1149153]But I thought according to Christian doctrine you have to believe in John 3:16 to be saved but it seems only Christians believe this doctrine, most of them don't even believe in Jesus like Jews, Gentiles, Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, so how about for them are they bound to hell as well from the teachings of the Church, bible or Christianity as a whole.[/quote

John 3:16 is the foundation of Christian doctrine true.

I am a Christian and I had problems with that verse. Let me explain why. To be consistent with the God of love there had to more to that verse than what it is interpreted to be.

What it amounts to is that in order for Jesus to be offered up by the Jewish high priests as a sacrificial offering for the sins of the world, Jesus had to be rejected by the the Jewish people, the chosen one's if you will.

So, God planed it that way by instructing Jesus to make the claim found in this verse:
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Spiritually speaking, that was cutting the Jewish peoples off from their birth right as in Jacob and Esau's story and reaching out to the rest of the world to save.

Peace>>>AJ

[nawab]

That part was concluded already

So what would happen to Jews, Hindus, Jains, Parsis, other religions who dont even beleive in Jesus even as a person, kindly inform,