Armageddon (Messiah, creation, myth, Christians, Christ)

[Lightkeeper]

Is it going to happen? Or, is it a metaphor?

[cardero]

I am sure humans are perfectly capable of bringing Armageddon upon this planet if they desired.

[painted wolf]

Who's virsion of Armageddon are we talking about? Like creation stories end of the world stories are varied and mostly cultural constucts.

wa:do

[cardero]

painted wolf writes:Who's virsion of Armageddon are we talking about?

I'm not sure if that makes too much of a difference; They are all quite spectacular.

[jewscout]

I don't know if we'll see armageddon in the way that Christians talk about it. In Judaism this is only ONE of the ways the Messiahnic age will begin.

[painted wolf]

well, if we are talking native 'end of stuff' stories... the Ghost Dance will herald the retrun of the buffalo and end of the "european domination" (ie non-natives get booted/and/or/wiped out)
In Mayan stories the world will start another cycle and this virsion of mankind will be wiped out by 'sky deamons'.
In the Incan virsion mankind will be wiped out by his own tools and animals.

In Norse myth the gods will raise the armies of Valhalla and die in battle, leaving only two humans hidden in the great tree.

of cource none of these has a messianic figure appearing.

Many peoples never had an 'end of stuff' story. They simply accepted that time and the world would go on as they always have, with or without us.

wa:do

[Lightkeeper]

These look like inner processes. An inner rebirth.

[cardero]

Painted Wolfe are you familiar with the Lakota Prophecy? It referes to the Star People whom many tribes believe to BE their ancient extraterrestrial ancestors. The Prophecy calls for The Sacred Mother (I would assume they mean Mother Earth) pleading for the Star People's help. And meteorites from the heavens will strike the earth causing internal as well as external damage. This is one of the "Armageddons" that I recently became familiar with.

[kreeden]

Armageddon ? As in the end of Human life ? All life on the planet ? Or all life everywhere ?

I think that life will continue on , long after we are gone as a race . I am very sure that it well after I'm gone .

Painted Wolf , Black Elk describes the Ghost Dance more as the First Nation People being lifted off this earth and taken to another place ... I do believe that he also implied that the Europeans would be wiped out , can't recall where all my info comes from off hand . But my understanding of the Ghost Dance { which I admit is very limited } is that it could have two endings . One that the People return to earth after the Europeans are removed . and the other that they do not return ? No trying to start a debate on the issue , just wondering how far off I am .

BTW the Mayan long calendar ends in 8 years .

[SoulTYPE]

Well, carrdero is correct. Terrorism plays a major role here.