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#61
08-23-2007, 10:56 AM
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Dude, seriously, She is telling people to pray to her, to have confidence [Faith] in her. She is not my mother. she is my sister, she is a daughter of our heavently father, and i am a son of our heavenly father. I only pray to my heavenly father. I will never pray to anyoen else because of the 2nd COMMANDMENT. "thou shalt have no other Gods before me." Why would hevenly father send revelation of this kind and have his "messenger" tell his peopel to pray to her. this is ludacris FFH. 
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08-24-2007, 02:47 AM
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"By their fruits ye shall know them" We can also know the difference by going to the Lord in prayer... Just as there are false prophets, there are also false prophetess' . Here's an example www.Sylvia.org Quote:
He would emphasize himself as the way to the Father... This was Satan's plan in the beginning and he's still trying to pull that fast one on us here on earth, knowing he can still draw away many to himself, into hell where he will be for eternity, but all will eventually be redeemed from that place. Satan may temporarily "drag us down to hell" but all will eventually be redeemed from that aweful place... Quote:
Satan cannot tell the truth all the time, otherwise his kingdom would not stand, he has to mix it up with lies. He mixes lies with truth, 50/50.. Satan said to Eve, "Ye shall not die, but will become as God, knowing good and evil," when trying to convince Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.. Lie = "Ye shall not die" Truth = "but will become as God, knowing good and evil" Nice trick to get someone to do the wrong thing... Eve then said, "Is there any other way?" Satan then said, "There is no other way" Again another lie.... "God will provide a way to accomplish his purposes".. Quote:
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Anything that leads people to Jesus Christ is from the Lord... Do I have to keep posting Article of Faith number 13 ???????? Quote:
Moroni Gabriel (Noah) Mary Jesus Enoch Elijah etc. Any resurrected and/or exalted being. My grandfather appeared to my uncle in answer to his prayer concerning his son who had committed suiced a few days before he was to give his LDS missionary farewell speech... He (my grandfather) appeared and said to my uncle, after he had prayed by the side of a lake in a secluded spot in the mountains, "Don't worry, he's with me now, he's fine". My uncle thinking his son, who had committed suicide, might be in hell, as many would suppose and that he had failed as a parent and was sinking into despair.. He later became a bishop of that same ward... They (suicide victims) get help on the other side, if they need it... Quote:
There's much more to the Bible codes than mere predictions. There are modern day teachings warning us of the very things you're talking about and lists several false prophets names, including the one I just listed, Sylvia Browne (www.Sylvia.org) others such as Benny Hinn, and lists the reasons why he's a false prophet... Joel Ostein is listed as a true humble follower of Christ, living very meagerly despite having the biggest church in North American.. joelostein.com I could go on and on about false preachers the Bible codes list as well as true preachers of God... Brigham Young is even listed in the Bible codes...and of course not as a false prophet... Quote:
A horrible tragedy... The only person we have been promised who will not lead us astray, is the President of the LDS church, of whom all other leaders must submit their authority to.. There is a system of checks and balances which help to root out evil leaders in the LDS faith, but some squeak by and evil is then allowed to prosper... I know our leaders are inspired, but all fail/are tempted/sin, as they are only men... Some sin more than others...no one is perfect, not even the President Hinckley and he freely admits that, but he can be perfectly inspired to lead this church in the direction it needs to go. I was sealed to my wife in the temple, which guarantees my salvation in the highest kingdom, it's just a matter of how well do I want this life to go now... Do I want to sin and have Satan "buffet" me or do I want to obey and enjoy profound peace and joy in my life... "In this life our joy is not full" though, as Christ has revealed to Joseph Smith in the Doctrine and Covenants... Jesus spoke to Joseph Smith in all those revelations of the Doctrine and Covenants, not Heavenly Father... Jesus is our advocate with the Father... Heavenly Father uses his spirit, the Holy Ghost, to speak to men in answer to prayer, but in the case of Joseph Smith, Heavenly Father literally appeared and introduced Jesus Christ and said "Here him"... In other words, Heavenly Father said "hey, here's my right hand man, talk to him and he'll lead you in the right direction... Jesus Christ appeared in answer to Joseph Smith's prayer, as did Moroni, and so can Mary, if Heavenly Father sees the need to use her for that purpose.. Heavenly Father can use any resurrected exalted being to answer prayers directly, not just the Holy Ghost.. Quote:
Our Founding Fathers appeared in the St. George temple and asked, paraphrasing, "Why has our work not been done???" Meaning all their necessary saving ordinances performed in holy LDS temples, for those reading who might not understand the term "work" in that sentence. For those who don't know...The St. George, Utah temple (which was the first temple completed after the other two were destroyed in Kirtland, Ohio and Nauvoo, Illinois) years before the Salt Lake temple. Heavenly Father can us anyone whom he chooses to answer prayers on his behalf.. Heavenly Father has never appeared to anyone, except Joseph Smith, all other appearances to man have been by Jesus Christ, in the Old and New Testament. This is nothing new, Mary has been appearing to men throughout the centuries.. The oldest recorded date that I know of is the one I just posted in the 1500's but I'm sure there were others before that, just haven't researched it enough. We are vain if we think our leaders are the only ones who experience divine visitations, and even more vain if we think we are the only ones who see visions of heaven/the afterlife/resurrected beings, such as Mary... I've read many many many accounts of what heaven looks like, by those who have had near death experiences and I've had the image of Mary Magdalene flash before my own eys and have felt the power and love of Christ that emminates from him... It's nothing like I've ever felt before or since. I wanted it to last forever and it wil as soon as Christ comes again... I've also heard the singing/music of heaven, while sitting in sacrament meeting and later asked my wife if she heard it too and to my astonishment she said yes. It's worth all the garbage in this life just to be able to hear that singing/musci again as well as the feeling that flooded my being when in the presence of Christ for literally a second...as was the singing for just a second.. Just a glimpse of the feelings and sounds of heaven, with Christ as the center, he being our means of salvation and exaltation in that place... Heavenly Father is humble to and recognizes who's brought us back to him... What a great sacrifice Christ has made on our behalf... Mary only wants to help lead as many people as she can to her son... Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 03:19 AM..
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#63
08-24-2007, 03:05 AM
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This is a quote from Mary, to one of the six visinaries in Medjugorje, Bosnia
"Know for certain that I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God...." Quote:
Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, who became God in the flesh and took upon himself our sins, if we would but repent. Mary is the mother of God the Son. Jesus Christ is God, just as/in the same regard as Heavenly Father is God... Christ states over and over in the Old Testament that he is God and then in the New Testament he becomes "God in the flesh," then becomes a resurrected being, who is God and revelator/inspirer of the New Testament, through men/the prophets and apostles of the New Testament. Christ said, in Revelation, "I am the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega".. Christ was God/creator of this world before this world was created and before coming to earth... I grew up in the church, attended LDS seminary for four years at Highland High school in Salt Lake CIty, Utah, and then later two years on a mission to Tokyo, Japan, and upon returning continued to study the scriptures for another 20 years which has taught me this basic truth, that Christ is the God of the Old and New Testament, as well as the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. Christ was the one speaking to Joseph Smith in all thos revelations of the Doctrine and Covenants, that's why Heavenly Father said, "This is my beloved Son, here ye him". Christ, he is God/God the Son. Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 04:40 AM..
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#64
08-24-2007, 03:46 AM
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Again, another quote from Mary...
"your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear their weeping and their sorrows . . . their necessities and misfortunes . . . Listen and let it penetrate your heart . . . Do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?" Quote:
She's "a" source of life for them, "a" connection to Christ and the Father, just as Christ is our connection to the Father. She becomes a link to heaven (a fountain of life) not (the fountain of life), who is Jesus Christ... If she said "I am the fountain of life" that would definitely be a red flag, but she didn't say that, she said "your fountain of life".. A false prophet or an antichrist would use that term "the," for instance, he/she would say, "I am the Christ or the new Christ"... I scrutinize everthing I read too... Again, I'm gonna get real personal at the risk of being labeled... I've seen Mary Magdalene in her resurrected and exalted state, just for a second, just enought to see what she looked like, what she was wearing and feel what she was feeling.. She is more beautiful than any woman I've ever seen in this life at least what I think is beautiful....dark long straight hair perfect thin straight face, just saw her profile, though, she was looking upward as if worshipping or absorbing pure love of a higher being, whom I felt was Jesus Christ, whom she was looking at... The image came and went very very fast... She, Mary Magdalene, was wearing the same type of clothes and colors, as described by these visionaries, as Mary has been seen wearing. A perfect depiction of the deep blue color I saw Mary Magdalene wearing, and also these visionaires see Mary wearing, is represented in the Catholic picture of Mary a few pages back ...I'll post it here too. This alone was enough to verify, to me, these visionaries have actually seen Mary, as a resurected exalted being. They both have the same type of beautiful robes, pearl white with gold and deep blues, also Mary Magdalene had a deep maroon color on as an accent/sash of some sort.... A picture appeared in the Ensign a few months back, with a representation of Mary Magdalene on the cover wearing what similarly and accurately depicted what I saw.. I was allowed to feel what Mary Magdalene was feeling, which was the pure love of Christ, which emminated from her, because she was full of this pure love, which she was sharing... Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 04:48 AM..
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08-24-2007, 04:04 AM
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This image is so amazingly close to what I saw, with her, Mary Magdalene's, head looking upward, yet facing the other direction with a deep maroon sash on and gold trim on the robe, just as seen here, but also with another deep blue accent/sash of some sort, like Mary, the mother of Jesus is seen wearing in the visions of those in Medjugorje..
Ii was in a little bit of shock when I saw this issue of the Ensign come out. I knew it was inspired, especially to have her dressed like that. In gold, maroon and white and looking upward at Christ, which I also saw her doing and wearing the same type of robe with a sash and the same colors, but with a deep blue sash/accent also. Mary the mother of Jesus is said to be wearing a deep blue, which Mary Magdalene had on too. Nearly identicle to what I saw.. Truly inspired image/portrayal  Here below, in this image of Mary, is the same deep blue color and gold trim, I also saw Mary Magdalene wearing. It was like the speed of a the flash on a camera, the image came and went quickly, but I saw the colors she was wearing and her beautiful profile, in exactly the same angle shown above, she was looking upward and saw only her profile and felt the pure love of Christ emminate from her which very quickly flooded my being. No one can live and stll be in the presence of Christ, it's too overwhelming... I knew I had felt what it would be like to be near Jesus. Only with our resurrected bodies will we be able to stand before Christ... Jospeph Smith's body must have been transformed in order to stand before Christ and our Heavenly Father. This is a very special image for Catholics and for another Medjugorje visionary.  I'm in no way deceived by Satan. Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 04:25 AM..
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#66
08-24-2007, 04:35 AM
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[quote]to have confidence [Faith] in her. [/quote=Madhatter] Is it wrong to say to a child have confidence in my, everything will be alright ????????? She's acting as a spiritual mother of those who have chosen to believe in her Son, just as Christ becomes our spirtual father when we repent of our sins and follow him... Look it up, it's in the Book of Mormon, Christ refers to himself as our Father and we his children, when we repent of our sins an come unto him.. He is also the elder brother of our spirits, Mary being our spirit sister, but our spirtual mother. Jesus has spiritually begotten us as his sons and daughters, through his atonement and our repentance, so is it too far of a stretch to say Mary has also spirtually begotten us, by the role she played as the child bearer of Jesus Christ/God in the flesh flesh, and thus becomes our spiritual mother/nurturer ??????? I've seen this image shed real human tears.. There is also something very special about this image..  Our Lady of Guadalupe Mexico, 1531 Words of the Blessed Virgin spoken to Juan Diego December 9th and 12th 1531 Guadalupe, Mexico "Know for certain that I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God . . . here I will show and offer all my love, my compassion, my help and protection to the people. I am your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear their weeping and their sorrows . . . their necessities and misfortunes . . . Listen and let it penetrate your heart . . . Do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?" Other Marian apparitions Apparitions - Blessed Virgin Mary - Messages of Our Lady Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 04:39 AM..
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#67
08-24-2007, 07:09 AM
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um... can i ask a question of the Latter-day Saints here?
isn't there an LDS doctrine about a Heavenly Mother? as i understand it, Mormons don't talk about Her much, but it seems odd, MadHatter, that you would so confidently reject the idea of the Virgin Mary being holy and a source of Godly inspiration while the Latter-day Saints also have the idea of a Heavenly Mother. what paralels, if any, might exist between the Catholic Virgin Mary and the LDS Heavenly Mother? i find the possibility of similarities really interesting, and would welcome responses!
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"Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace, and be freed from your suffering."
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#68
08-24-2007, 08:52 AM
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There is no specific doctrine regarding a heavely mother.
we believe that only man and woman together become a "god" in the celestial kingdom. so our heavenly mother could NEVER be the "The Mother Mary" seeign as she was BORN. GOD (Our Heavenly father) already HAS a PHYSICAL BODY, and our Heavenly Mother would also have a PHYSICAL BODY. the "mother mary" is not the mother of "God" and she would never say that. I have heard speculation that there is no refrence to a heavely mother to keep her from being disrepected. that our heavenly father did not want that to happen so he never mentioned her. and i would understand that. the "mother mary" will never appear like that to give true "revelation" FFH. you are so screwed up in the head over this i feel extremely sorry for you.
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08-24-2007, 08:59 AM
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still, you don't see the correlations? Catholics also believe that Mary as taken up into heaven bodily, (the assumption), and that she reigns there as Queen of Heaven. so there's another correlation...
but Mary *is* the mother of God, acording to most Christian beliefs, right? if you believe that Jesus was God incarnate or a member of the Godhead, than yes, Mary is the mother of God on some level. and as such, is kind of like everyone's mother, in a way. alot like the LDS Heavenly Mother, in a way, as She presumably united with Heavenly Father to create us, right?
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08-24-2007, 07:03 PM
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Mary can be called our spiritual mother, no harm in that, because we are spiritually begotten by her, by our belief in her Son Jesus Christ and our personal repentance Just as Jesus is our spiritual father, we are spiritually begotten by him, by our belief him and our personal repentance. Heavenly Father and Mother are the literal father and mother of our spirits, not Mary of course... Nothing I've said here contradicts LDS doctrine.. Last edited by FFH; 08-24-2007 at 10:17 PM..
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