Why Is It Ok To Be Fat But Not Gay?? (Earth, America)

[Buttercup]

Here are some bible verses that deal directly with gluttony....However, for the sake of this thread continuing on topic, I would prefer for us to discuss the details of these verses in another thread. Thanks!

Proverbs 23:2-3 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Deuteronomy 21:20-21 (King James Version)

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Proverbs 23:20-21 (King James Version)

20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:

21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

Philippians 3:18-19 (King James Version)

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1 Peter 4:2-3

2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

Yeah, I think we're seeing the "sin" in different ways. But that's cool. Either way, it seems to me that even if one assumes that there is sin in being fat or gay, there should be no persecution, only an attempt at forgiveness.

I agree completely....especially the no persecution part.

Which brings me to the next part of this argument I'd like to discuss.

In the days the books of the bible were written science had obviously not yet advanced to the point of knowing that obesity can be genetically passed down. As is true today, there had to have been people in biblical days who might have been accused of gluttony yet were predisposed to obesity because of genetics, it wasn't their fault.

Because we now know that obesity can be inherited, perhaps society has cut some slack to the culpability of the obese person. They are born that way.

If science discovers that homosexuality is genetically determined, would this change how Christians view gays? Is it not their fault because they are born that way?

Edit: I think I'll start a new thread....even though it's probably been discussed before.

[rocka21]

Originally Posted by Hope

I know this is way off topic, but I can't help but ask.....do you therefore believe a Christian who doesn't speak in tongues isn't worthy to preach somehow, or maybe not even a Christian?? Just curious.

(I can start another thread if you'd like to discuss this further....)

no, not at all......

i was just pointing out that different churches have different people come and speak.

Just like , I don't think any Mormon or catholic, church will invite me to preach anytime soon....

not because they don't think i am a christian, just that our doctrine is different.

if you look at my church website, you will see a list of upcoming preachers, you will see that they all are in the same type vein........

ie... John Hagee, paula white, perry stone, etc.....

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Why is a gluttonous lifestyle tolerated and embraced in the church but not a gay lifestyle?

Until we see the "Ban Fat Marriage" amendments introduced, I conclude it's a standard as double as the chins.

[Victor]

It's not ok...
Assuming it's the gluttonous type of fat.

[wizanda]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

I said God sees all sin as equal. Ask any Christian...or read the bible. God does not discriminate against any particular sin. That's why murderers as well as liars are able to make it into heaven through the atoning work of Christ.

Excuse me, as someone who has seen heaven (Oneness) first hand, that is very wrong...only farmers (nurturing unconditional love) and shepherds (spreading Wisdom) who 'work' as Christ said are there....

Rev 21:26-27
(26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
(27) And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever worked abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Luk 16:5-9
(5) So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
(6) And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
(7) Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
(8) And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation Sneakier (wiser) than the children of light.
(9) And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. = Reincarnation


Isa 53:12
(12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Intercessors = pass on the message to the judge, not remove it.

[Dr. Nosophoros]

Fatness is next to grossness and gayness is even more gross than fatness so there you are, it's a sin it seems.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Obviously if you weigh 350 pounds and you're a 5'9" man....you overindulge. Gluttony is definitely described as sin in the bible. Check my other thread, "Why Is It OK to be Fat but Not Gay?" for scripture verses condeming overeating.

Overeating is a sin.
Being fat isn't.
Just because being fat is a symptom of overeating does not mean that the ONLY way to become fat is by overeating.

Unless of course you have a verse that says that being fat, regardless of the reason, is a sin. If you do, please present it, because I am not awares of any such verse.