Why Is It Ok To Be Fat But Not Gay?? (Earth, America)

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

It's quite obvious when you see an obese person that they have a love affair or greedy nature with food.

Sorry, Buttercup, I still have to disagree.

The greed of gluttony comes from an overindulgence in the pleasure of food. Some overweight people overeat not for pleasure, but as a release from pain. I've been depressed and have faced both the not-being-able-to-eat symptoms, and the only-wanting-to-eat ones. It's not about overindulging in pleasure, in my opinion, it's more about trying to get some pleasure.

At any rate, I do agree with you that there appears to be an obesity problem in the US, and despite the obvious dangers in being obese, morally righteous people seem to prefer focusing on the "dangers" of homosexuality.

[yossarian22]

Originally Posted by Booko

Oops, I forgot that I have a joke as my "religion" in my user info, so you would not realize that I'm not a Christian. Still, some aspects of Christianity have historically seen certain sins as particularly dangerous. Catholocism recognizes the difference between venial and mortal sins, for example.

That's what I make of gluttony as well, though I would that situation remains today.

edit: Thanks to Random for catching a very silly typo.

I didn't assume you were Christian, I was just asking a hypothetical question.
Being fat != being a glutton, which is why fat people are more accepted by society

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

It's quite obvious when you see an obese person that they have a love affair or greedy nature with food. Very, very few overweight people can blame it on metabolism. Go look at tapes of people from the 1960's....before fast food hit the nation like it has today and you won't see nearly the amount of heavy folks. It is simply fact that Americans have gotten much fatter and it aint from global warming. And as I've said several times, I'm not trying to be inflammatory, please believe me.

This is a better subject for Health & Healing, but I would be happy to take it up there with you.

It just bugs the hell outta me that we live in the most evangelical Christian nation on earth......and the fattest. But, you don't hear preachers shouting from the pulpit how gluttonous people land in hell do you?

More than a few would be in no position to say anything about it, I expect.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by yossarian22

All sins are equal is one of the tenets shared by all factions of Christianity? Lying to somebody is hardly equal to shooting them. (This is not meant as an analogy to the debate)

I said God sees all sin as equal. Ask any Christian...or read the bible. God does not discriminate against any particular sin. That's why murderers as well as liars are able to make it into heaven through the atoning work of Christ.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

Sorry, Buttercup, I still have to disagree.

The greed of gluttony comes from an overindulgence in the pleasure of food. Some overweight people overeat not for pleasure, but as a release from pain. I've been depressed and have faced both the not-being-able-to-eat symptoms, and the only-wanting-to-eat ones. It's not about overindulging in pleasure, in my opinion, it's more about trying to get some pleasure.

At any rate, I do agree with you that there appears to be an obesity problem in the US, and despite the obvious dangers in being obese, morally righteous people seem to prefer focusing on the "dangers" of homosexuality.

I think you're missing the point. Overeating is still overindulgence no matter what the cause. It's overindulgence in anything that's against God's ways. Participating in anything to an excessive degree is against God's will. I'll come back later and share verses as Quagmire asked for them. Excessive drinking would fall under the same category.

[ChristineES]

There are more than one kind of sin, at least the way I see it: 1. you do something to hurt God 2. You do something to hurt another person 3. You do something to hurt yourself.
1. The first is easy.
2. This includes murder, molestation, rape, adultery, and so on
3. This includes gluttony, alcoholism, drug abuse.
For those of the third, hurting yourself, there is usually an underlying cause. People overeat, do drugs, drink too much because they may be unhappy or in pain. I like to believe that I have compassion for these. The problem is that you can't hurt yourself without hurting others.

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

I think you're missing the point.

I do that sometimes.

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Overeating is still overindulgence no matter what the cause. It's overindulgence in anything that's against God's ways. Participating in anything to an excessive degree is against God's will. I'll come back later and share verses as Quagmire asked for them. Excessive drinking would fall under the same category.

Yeah, I think we're seeing the "sin" in different ways. But that's cool. Either way, it seems to me that even if one assumes that there is sin in being fat or gay, there should be no persecution, only an attempt at forgiveness.