Biblical Truth? (Jesus Christ, priests, salvation, tradition, contradiction)

[Arrow]

Victor:
what do you mean by the Magisterium being infallible?

[Arrow]

Paul:
Non-Catholics might not claim to be infallible like the Catholic Church claims to be infallible, but there are things that Non-Catholics do claim to be absolutes and because of that there has to be some sort of infallibility that lies ultimately on a individual or group of people

[namguy]

Originally Posted by rocka21

Can of worms- ----- open here.

i think the whole protestant move was based on the thought the catholic chruch got to far into man made traditions that made the word of God to no effect. there is a big list on things some christians think the cathloic church is in error on. Now that has spawed into MANY different chruches and doctrines.

don't worry thou...... in Pauls short time here , he spent alot of time trying to get the early chruch doctrinly correct also.

They are wrong....on everything!

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Arrow

Paul:
Non-Catholics might not claim to be infallible like the Catholic Church claims to be infallible, but there are things that Non-Catholics do claim to be absolutes and because of that there has to be some sort of infallibility that lies ultimately on a individual or group of people

There are absolutes that we all agree on - this happens when a passage of scripture says something directly and requires no interpretation. i.e. "thou shalt not kill" or "I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me".

But this is not our infallibility but the infallibility of the clear statements of scripture where plain language is used giving no logical reason to try to make it mean something else. In other words they are the words of God that come to us without the filter of human interpretation.

[namguy]

Originally Posted by namguy

They are wrong....on everything!

They certainly are.

[roli]

Originally Posted by Arrow

I kind of feel like i am in between a rock and a hard place. On one hand i have been raised pretty much as a "reformed" Christian, but I have recently been studying Catholicism and I am left with a really crappy question. Who is to claim that they are correct? I guess where I am getting stuck is that I see both sides and how they come to their conclusions in a rational way of though, but at the same time they cannot both be correct. So i guess my question is how are we supposed to know? Or perhaps the Bible is a contradiction and the result of breaking away from the Catholic Church is just a physical manifestation of the Bible's contradictions.

Simply put, according to scripture, it is the Holy Spirit that reveals truth and not some priest or denomination
Jhn 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.