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#61
05-06-2004, 06:53 PM
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Ok, coming into the convo pretty late here I will just state that like Runt, I believe creation was by the hand of evolution, by God, whatever that may be.
And as ErikaLee said, my fiance thinks the aliens brought about our existence here. I am not completely aposed to this, but I am lacking some real logial thought on that one however speculative that may be?? I am not a big person on proof, because I believe we will never truly have it. As a species we use what, like 10% of our brain, we would never ever be able to comprehend anything on a spiritual level even if it were drawn, spelled, or charaded out for us, we will never as humans beable to comprehend anything on a divine level..... That is just me... Go Faith!!!! lol, j/k ps. silly billy?? that is real nice : | 
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05-06-2004, 06:53 PM
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Ok, coming into the convo pretty late here I will just state that like Runt, I believe creation was by the hand of evolution, by God, whatever that may be.
And as ErikaLee said, my fiance thinks the aliens brought about our existence here. I am not completely aposed to this, but I am lacking some real logial thought on that one however speculative that may be?? I am not a big person on proof, because I believe we will never truly have it. As a species we use what, like 10% of our brain, we would never ever be able to comprehend anything on a spiritual level even if it were drawn, spelled, or charaded out for us, we will never as humans beable to comprehend anything on a divine level..... That is just me... Go Faith!!!! lol, j/k ps. silly billy?? that is real nice : |
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#63
05-06-2004, 07:08 PM
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Hey!! lol
The problem is, Christians, Muslims- you name it- they all DO claim to understand the spiritual world. They have very complex and intricate beliefs about the spiritual world-beliefs which they all claim are not beliefs, but fact. Now, if we humans "can't possibly comprehend" God etc, then that's the end of the debate- no religion is valid, since they all claim to know about something which they can't begin to comprehend. The argument that humans can't possibly understand spiritual things is just a fallback argument that religions use when their beleifs don't hold up against logic. Not a big person on proof? Well, neither were the witch burners or inquisitors of medieval Europe. :roll: We just have to be careful when beleifs in things without proof affect our behavior.
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05-06-2004, 07:08 PM
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Hey!! lol
The problem is, Christians, Muslims- you name it- they all DO claim to understand the spiritual world. They have very complex and intricate beliefs about the spiritual world-beliefs which they all claim are not beliefs, but fact. Now, if we humans "can't possibly comprehend" God etc, then that's the end of the debate- no religion is valid, since they all claim to know about something which they can't begin to comprehend. The argument that humans can't possibly understand spiritual things is just a fallback argument that religions use when their beleifs don't hold up against logic. Not a big person on proof? Well, neither were the witch burners or inquisitors of medieval Europe. :roll: We just have to be careful when beleifs in things without proof affect our behavior.
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#65
05-06-2004, 08:16 PM
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Yeah, sorry, but I do have problems with people saying that thier beliefs are 'True' or 'Facts' both of those things are a matter of opinion, you have to put your belief into them before they can be true. Not to say that these people don't believe thier beliefs are facts or true, and most certainly they have a right to, I would not say they are wrong, but I also have the right to say they are not facts or true to me. I am not one to use my beliefs to discreadit anyone else, just because I believe something, it has no effect on anyone else, it is my belief.
Saying we will never be able to comprehend God or spirituality doens't me we shouldnt' try, it just means that we don't have the knowledge or understanding yet. Just as thousands of years ago people had no idea or understanding of germs, it was not possible until science evolved, and now we do, but they still got sick and didn't know why?? I say we will never comprehend it because the use of our brain at this point wouldn't permit it. Trying to understand God is like trying to explain to your dog how to balence a check book, the comrehension just isn't there.... I dont think it is a fall back, I am no religion and I defend nothing, not even myself, I doesn't matter to me if anyone else agrees, I just state what I believe, and listen to others, I can decide if I agree with them and try to further myself because to me religion isn't about God or understanding things, it is about making myself a better person because only pure positve energy can be absorbed by God (which I believe to be an energy source). But your last statement I totally agree with, I can see how things could easily get out of hand in a case like that. But like the Pagans, Lest Ye Harm None.... Killing in the name of religion is still killing.... War, that is another story, I have no opinion on that yet, well, actually I do, it is one thing to give your life to fate as to whether you live or die as you are fighting and taking other lives, but clearly different when you are tying someone to a stake and sitting back roasting marshmallows clear from danger, lol...
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#66
05-06-2004, 08:16 PM
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Yeah, sorry, but I do have problems with people saying that thier beliefs are 'True' or 'Facts' both of those things are a matter of opinion, you have to put your belief into them before they can be true. Not to say that these people don't believe thier beliefs are facts or true, and most certainly they have a right to, I would not say they are wrong, but I also have the right to say they are not facts or true to me. I am not one to use my beliefs to discreadit anyone else, just because I believe something, it has no effect on anyone else, it is my belief.
Saying we will never be able to comprehend God or spirituality doens't me we shouldnt' try, it just means that we don't have the knowledge or understanding yet. Just as thousands of years ago people had no idea or understanding of germs, it was not possible until science evolved, and now we do, but they still got sick and didn't know why?? I say we will never comprehend it because the use of our brain at this point wouldn't permit it. Trying to understand God is like trying to explain to your dog how to balence a check book, the comrehension just isn't there.... I dont think it is a fall back, I am no religion and I defend nothing, not even myself, I doesn't matter to me if anyone else agrees, I just state what I believe, and listen to others, I can decide if I agree with them and try to further myself because to me religion isn't about God or understanding things, it is about making myself a better person because only pure positve energy can be absorbed by God (which I believe to be an energy source). But your last statement I totally agree with, I can see how things could easily get out of hand in a case like that. But like the Pagans, Lest Ye Harm None.... Killing in the name of religion is still killing.... War, that is another story, I have no opinion on that yet, well, actually I do, it is one thing to give your life to fate as to whether you live or die as you are fighting and taking other lives, but clearly different when you are tying someone to a stake and sitting back roasting marshmallows clear from danger, lol...
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#67
05-06-2004, 08:43 PM
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The Tao trying to help us understand the eternal ways of the universe is like us trying to tell a dog about internal combustion engine. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know the sound of the engine, or the smell, or the sight. But he doesn't understand why or how it works. We understand what we perceive around us. But that doesn't mean its the ultimate truth. It is however part of the truth though. Being that what the dog hears, smells, and sees isn't false. Its just not the whole picture. We are like that with spirituality. We hear, smell, see, etc.. what we perceive as spiritual. That doesn't necessarily make it false. They are part of the truth in some way or another. And they allow us to understand the universe better.
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05-06-2004, 08:43 PM
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The Tao trying to help us understand the eternal ways of the universe is like us trying to tell a dog about internal combustion engine. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know the sound of the engine, or the smell, or the sight. But he doesn't understand why or how it works. We understand what we perceive around us. But that doesn't mean its the ultimate truth. It is however part of the truth though. Being that what the dog hears, smells, and sees isn't false. Its just not the whole picture. We are like that with spirituality. We hear, smell, see, etc.. what we perceive as spiritual. That doesn't necessarily make it false. They are part of the truth in some way or another. And they allow us to understand the universe better.
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I go forth with bare feet, and a simple spirit. Lord have mercy on me. beati pauperes spiritu †
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#69
05-07-2004, 12:01 AM
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I'm certenly pro-evolution... there is too much Good evidence...
I'm certenly sceptical of the adam and eve stories and the aliens genetically engeneered us theories... I don't buy thier evidence so far.... wa:-do
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05-07-2004, 12:01 AM
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I'm certenly pro-evolution... there is too much Good evidence...
I'm certenly sceptical of the adam and eve stories and the aliens genetically engeneered us theories... I don't buy thier evidence so far.... wa:-do
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