Creation vs. Evolution (Earth, Eden, genesis, eternal, bible)

[inca]

I have read Michael Talbot's book but not Mr. Q. I suppose he thinks more farts are coming out from @*** like David Bohm FORMER PROTEGE OF EINSTEIN AND ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED QUANTUM PHYSICIST :
www.bookfinder.us/review6/0060922583.html
And of course the work of Karl Pribram, neurophysiologist from Stanford letting us know how the brain works like hologram.
Of course, Matrix, 13th Floor, Truman's Show, Dark City, The Last Superheroe, Hypercube 2, Pi, etc are just films. Yet they are examples of what science is pretending to say...which is what Hinduism said about the illusion or Maya. Of course, the reader -and thanks God for that- can choose in free will what to believe and weigh the words of the participants.

[inca]

Painted Wolf: I'm not upset when they ask me proof. Every single post that I have made (it's 15 pages discussion here and more in similar theme) I have tried to give enough data and provide sites for any reader who wants to investigate or disagree, skepticism is comprehensible. Yet it's easy to distinguish your attitude with you know who. I have disagreed with you but I'm not mad at you. Scientists are making claims and theories. I'm just showing them, if you don't know the difference between that and anecdotes is cos you're stealing somebody's else "argument".
About beasts witnessed by people in the past, remember few decades ago the saying about the gorilla was taken as fairy tale as well until "science" discovered them. Thousands of years of white culture ignorance until that day. And you can always get back to the pages where we were discussing about dinosaurs who were probably alived until not too much time ago. I say more, not all beast have to be imagine in this dense dimension you call matter. Under halucinogenic effect your brain let your eyes see beyond 0.5% frequences available in the universe and you can actually see the colors of the sound and something odd that can't be reproduced in labs with human devices. You can't duplicate the dream without the brain, yet everybody dreams. To explain what dreams may be or not ain't enough to reproduce the objective experience, hence is subjective cos you can measure the effects somehow. It's just an example of other "realities". If some people believe in gravitons is not because of the real visual evidence of those particles but indirect observations that may lead to that conclusion. That ain't fact yet. It could be in the future. Something interesting to read about:
www.theatlantic.com/issues/96may/nitrous/lsd.htm
In that sense, without any irony, I suggest you to ask your Cherokee ancestrals point of view and in fact undertake a practical experience...something not even the psicologists or psiquiatrists have always done. Most of them don't understand the practical and objective experience of the brain but give conferences about squizophrenic mind and similar things! Perhaps you already know many things in that sense too.

[inca]

I'm sorry. I'm dissapointed with the attitude of the moderators here. In their fair balance they eliminated 2 of my comments and wrote 2 times advicing me not to insult. I was not , I was just giving back his pearls. Yet in spite of my saying they have allowed Mr Q to keep on doing this with me, they keep on letting and he feels free to adress to me his "messages". The very fact they are letting him and didn't say a word of warning is dissapointing. Of course, if I loose my temper and use his same expressions like @ss in a message after another like he does will send me to Valhalla. And of course the invitation to leave the issue was not offered for him. WHY? Is it because Moderator's scientific brain is getting upset cos the information may be defying its own principles???? I don't know and I don't wanna discover. I will withdraw now. Bye bye and have a good time.

[(Q)]

The existence or not of cherubs must be prove, you're the silly. Microbes were unseen and non-existing until they were found.

You made the claim about cherubs, so you must provide the evidence to their existence. Can you or is this just another empty claim?

An interpretation of what Einstein believe was given by scientists.

So what? There are quotes to what Einstein believes that came directly from him. Who cares what someone else interprets.

I set the examples and names of scientist believing universe expansion can be a misunderstanding.

So, merely because you have found people that misunderstand science, we are supposed to accept their opinions?

Yes I read a book by Michael Talbot, interesting, have you?

Unfortunately yes, its complete crap.

Mr. Dan did an experience with devices and quartz, did you?

I don’t claim to have communications with aliens so no, I don’t claim to build alien communications devices. But Dr. Dan does.

He's an expert in his field, you're expert on what field?

I agree, he is an expert at being a kook. My area is physics and cosmology.

It doesn't matter if I mention serious names here in a long list, all of them are kooks according to you

No, they are well known kooks to everyone, except you.

Yes I'm reading the links I'm providing. What happens is I let the reader decide instead of acting like you .

You continually mention other ‘readers’ and what they’ll decide. I don’t think you’ve been keeping up with current events but the readers here are questioning you as well. Most here don’t take you seriously.

Of course, Matrix, 13th Floor, Truman's Show, Dark City, The Last Superheroe, Hypercube 2, Pi, etc are just films. Yet they are examples of what science is pretending to say...

No, they are fantasy films created by writers. Science doesn’t pretend to say anything.

Of course, the reader -and thanks God for that- can choose in free will what to believe and weigh the words of the participants

There you go again asking for reassurance – notice that none has come so far.

I have tried to give enough data and provide sites for any reader who wants to investigate or disagree, skepticism is comprehensible.

But you haven’t done that – all you’ve managed to do is provide links to pseudoscience. There is no data there, only unsubstantiated claims based on false assumptions. My baloney meter goes off the scale each time I read one of those links.
Scientists are making claims and theories. I'm just showing them

Correction – Pseudoscientists.

Under halucinogenic effect your brain let your eyes see beyond 0.5% frequences available in the universe and you can actually see the colors of the sound and something odd that can't be reproduced in labs with human devices

Yeah, sure. That one almost broke my baloney meter.

It's just an example of other "realities"

Sorry, but the rest of us here live in one reality. If you’ve discovered other realities, please pass the joint.

I don't know and I don't wanna discover. I will withdraw now. Bye bye and have a good time.

Bye. Thank you and come again.

*voice of Apo*

[inca]

Yap, all written by scientists and all what scientists interpret about Einstein is crap. Only YOU are right. Noted it! B-R-A-V-O! clap-clap-clap! You see what happens when science of a very stupid old man goes to the brain? He says "who cares what people say?" Not you of course, what about the rest? Hmmm ? It's not that I found people who have misunderstood science. IT'S SCIENTISTS WHO ARE SAYING HIS POINTS OF VIEW ABOUT SCIENCE YOU, IMBECIL. They are not pseudoscientist. Are you talking for "everyone" in this forum when you say every single scientist I mention is kook? WHY THE F*&#@ are allowed those commentaries ad infinitum?
What are your substained claims? Once again, you're gonna say yourself and
I was forgetting to post this for the delight of the rest of readers:
www.enterprisemission.com/rnicks.html
(of course that geologist is an imbecil too, right?)
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_ar...lanetary_1.htm
Just to remember an example of the swimming pool I set before. Another case in which science fiction imitates realities and viceversa.
I leave you to your delirium self-confidence. By the way, cherubs is religion issue. Religion doesn't provide evidence. In this topic I was letting "science" do the response of what science says. But as we can see better, there's no science at all. What we have now is different ideas exposed by a bunch of scientists with contradictory theories. I wanted to share that. I don't want to prove one theory is better than the other. I wanted the reader to discover that. Good that in your scientific mind all puzzles are solved and you have nothing new to learn cos science has already achieved your "brain" like Samsara.
If Stephen Hawkins, Michio Kaku, Odenwald , Bohm, Bekenstein asre pseudoscientist, well I have to kneel before you. I have met the most important scientist of all in this form. Lucky us. Hasta la vista viejo huevón!

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by inca

I'm sorry. I'm dissapointed with the attitude of the moderators here. In their fair balance they eliminated 2 of my comments and wrote 2 times advicing me not to insult. I was not , I was just giving back his pearls. Yet in spite of my saying they have allowed Mr Q to keep on doing this with me, they keep on letting and he feels free to adress to me his "messages". The very fact they are letting him and didn't say a word of warning is dissapointing.

Let's get one thing straight first of all, my first warning message to stop the personal insults was NOT directed at anyone in particular. I posted it that way so that EVERYONE would be reminded of the rule. I have read over the things Q has said in response to the posts you've made, and I see nothing wrong with them, meaning, he did not personally attack you in any way, your ideas maybe, but not you. If you can't take others questioning the claims you make here, then you shouldn't be in the debate forum. Now, I did not delete any post of yours until you posted two filled with nothing but insults and name-calling directed at Q. He did nothing of the sort, so therefore none of his posts were deleted.

Is it because Moderator's scientific brain is getting upset cos the information may be defying its own principles????

Hardly. Frankly, this thread makes my head hurt and I couldn't care less about the content of the debate as long as it's by the rules. So play by the rules of the debate forum, and you won't have to see me post in this thread again.

Of course, if I loose my temper and use his same expressions like @ss in a message after another like he does will send me to Valhalla.

@ss doesn't bother me, neither does *** for that matter, but I suppose Q was being polite. What is not polite and will NOT be tolerated is name calling and personal attacks. So quit playing the victim and abide by the rules of the forum and everyone will be happy.

And of course the invitation to leave the issue was not offered for him. WHY? I don't know and I don't wanna discover. I will withdraw now. Bye bye and have a good time.

Why? Because he's not getting irate when someone responds to his posts, like you are. I didn't demand you leave, it was a suggestion, take it or leave it. But if you're going to stay I suggest you CALM DOWN.

[painted wolf]

Originally Posted by inca

Under halucinogenic effect your brain let your eyes see beyond 0.5% frequences available in the universe and you can actually see the colors of the sound and something odd that can't be reproduced in labs with human devices

um... if it cant be reproduced in the labs with human devices then how do you know this?
0.5% is a very specific number... sounds like cherry picking to me...

Originally Posted by '"inca"

Scientists are making claims and theories. I'm just showing them, if you don't know the difference between that and anecdotes is cos you're stealing somebody's else "argument".

but the theories arnt supported with actual evidence...just speculation and anecdote... and you havent provided any of your own evidence to back them up either...
as for my stealing anothers argument... Q simply puts things more bluntly and simply than I do... and I have to credit him there... abrasive perhaps but effective.

and my Cherokee ancestors and current elders do not promote the use of halucinogenics of any kind... we have done fine without them thanks. :roll:

wa:-do

[painted wolf]

ok didn't know where elce to put this... but I wanted to share some fun info...

from the Jurnal Nature:
http://www.nature.com/nature/links/040325/040325-1.html
http://www.nature.com/nsu/040322/040322-9.html

Scientists looking into muscular problems such as Muscular Distrophy wondered why other Apes don't have such problems... so they began looking closer at the genes involved with mussel devolpment and found that a mutation in the genes prevents us from producing the protein called MYH16 a key to devolping the massive jaw mussels that let other apes chew tough plant matter.... To support these massive mussels they need crests of bone on the roofs of thier skulls that act as anchors... they also limit how large the brain cavity can expand... we lost the ability to make such large mussels and lost the need for such crests of bone.. and in time this helped to alow us to grow bigger brains.

just one of the many little things that let us become who we are today...

wa:-do

[Alaric]

Excellent! We know where the vegetarians are headed!

[Green Gaia]

Dare I ask, where? :killme: