Creation vs. Evolution (Earth, Eden, genesis, eternal, bible)

[SpiritualSon]

In Genesis, creation means regeneration of by God. Evolution is of the natrual world. They are connect by correspondences. The natural world was here before Adam and Eve. They were not the first people one earth. Where did Mrs Cain come? The story of Adam and Eve are representation of the first church on earth. The natrual world was already here when the book of Genesis was written.

Genesis 1: 1. In the beginning God created the heavens [coelum] and the earth. The most ancient time is called "the beginning." By the prophets it is in various places called the "days of old" [antiquitatis] and also the "days of eternity."

The "beginning" also involves the first period when man is being regenerated, for he is then born anew, and receives life. Regeneration itself is therefore called a "new creation" of man.

The expressions to "create" to "form" to "make" in almost all parts of the prophetic writings signify to regenerate, yet with a difference in the signification.

As in Isaiah:
Everyone that is called by My name, I have created him for My glory, I have formed him, yea, I have made him (Isa. 43:7).

And therefore the Lord is called the "Redeemer" the "Former from the womb" the "Maker" and also the "Creator;" as in the same Prophet:
I am Jehovah your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King (Isa. 43:15).

In David:
The people that is created shall praise Jah (Ps. 102:18).
Again:
Thou sendest forth Thy spirit, they are created, and Thou renewest the faces of the ground (Ps. 104:30).

That "heaven" signifies the internal man, and "earth" the external man before regeneration.

Harry

[SpiritualSon]

In Genesis, creation means regeneration of by God. Evolution is of the natrual world. They are connect by correspondences. The natural world was here before Adam and Eve. They were not the first people one earth. Where did Mrs Cain come? The story of Adam and Eve are representation of the first church on earth. The natrual world was already here when the book of Genesis was written.

Genesis 1: 1. In the beginning God created the heavens [coelum] and the earth. The most ancient time is called "the beginning." By the prophets it is in various places called the "days of old" [antiquitatis] and also the "days of eternity."

The "beginning" also involves the first period when man is being regenerated, for he is then born anew, and receives life. Regeneration itself is therefore called a "new creation" of man.

The expressions to "create" to "form" to "make" in almost all parts of the prophetic writings signify to regenerate, yet with a difference in the signification.

As in Isaiah:
Everyone that is called by My name, I have created him for My glory, I have formed him, yea, I have made him (Isa. 43:7).

And therefore the Lord is called the "Redeemer" the "Former from the womb" the "Maker" and also the "Creator;" as in the same Prophet:
I am Jehovah your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King (Isa. 43:15).

In David:
The people that is created shall praise Jah (Ps. 102:18).
Again:
Thou sendest forth Thy spirit, they are created, and Thou renewest the faces of the ground (Ps. 104:30).

That "heaven" signifies the internal man, and "earth" the external man before regeneration.

Harry

[SpiritualSon]

Genesis 2:2. And the earth was a void and emptiness, and darkness was upon the faces of the deep [abyssi]; and the Spirit of God was brooding upon the faces of the waters.

Before his regeneration, man is called the "earth void and empty" and also the "ground" wherein nothing of good and truth has been sown; "void" denotes where there is nothing of good, and "empty" where there is nothing of truth. Hence comes "thick darkness" that is, stupidity, and an ignorance of all things belonging to faith in the Lord, and consequently of all things belonging to spiritual and heavenly life.

Such a man is described by the Lord through Jeremiah:
My people is stupid, they have not known Me.They are foolish sons, and are not intelligent; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and lo a void and emptiness, and the heavens, and they had no light (Jer. 4:22-23).

Harry

[SpiritualSon]

Genesis 2:2. And the earth was a void and emptiness, and darkness was upon the faces of the deep [abyssi]; and the Spirit of God was brooding upon the faces of the waters.

Before his regeneration, man is called the "earth void and empty" and also the "ground" wherein nothing of good and truth has been sown; "void" denotes where there is nothing of good, and "empty" where there is nothing of truth. Hence comes "thick darkness" that is, stupidity, and an ignorance of all things belonging to faith in the Lord, and consequently of all things belonging to spiritual and heavenly life.

Such a man is described by the Lord through Jeremiah:
My people is stupid, they have not known Me.They are foolish sons, and are not intelligent; they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and lo a void and emptiness, and the heavens, and they had no light (Jer. 4:22-23).

Harry

[painted wolf]

Originally Posted by inca

no hocus-pocus miracle

how true how true... :lol:

wa:-do

[painted wolf]

Originally Posted by inca

no hocus-pocus miracle

how true how true... :lol:

wa:-do

[(Q)]

We have to surrender to evidence objectively whether we like it or not. If you can't do that, you don't have a scientific attitude but you're dogmatic always believing what you want to believe.

Funny, you don’t follow your own advice.

I know I will hate to change some ideas but I will in behalf of science, not my prefered and beloved imaginary mental toy to play with during decades in order to satisfy my own ego.

Let us know when you do decide to change some of your ideas.

Let's say our universe is 5 billion years old. I really don't trust too much in the data giving by methods used.

Do you even understand the data or the methods used?

Because they are not measuring time in first place but activity on time which is different and based upon some speculations.

Confirmed. You don’t understand the date or the methods.

The rythm of acceleration is the Principles of Physic Cosmology: Every time the universe duplicates, the perception of time divides in the middle. When universe was small it duplicated faster, when it gets bigger it takes more time to duplicate.

Your capacity to shovel it higher and deeper gets higher and deeper all the time.

Scientist George Ferrows (not a Creationist) calculated the probability against entropy or gravity appearing by itself in a number followed by 123 zeros never happening in nature. He recognizes the universe urges the believe in a "creator". And of course, this is not an anecdote cos he was using math which is an exact science though U-know-Who will never understand that.

You’ll need to provide a source for this – I want to see that math.

A scientist requires more than memorizing formulas, he requires imagination.

Yes, but a credible scientist will not allow his imagination to rule his logic, as does people like Hoagland and Van Flandern.

We have read many times and saw the images in Scientific American and books or other magazines about the deformation of the space, the illustration of the iron ball upon a sheet and the smaller balls been affected by the weigh of the ball on the tissue

That is reference to general relativity – the ball and sheet analogy is used to describe GR to laymen.

Kaku imagined the point of view of fishes inside the aquarium if they were taken out from their liquid universe. Hawkings thinks in bubbles connected with other soap bubbles-universes via bridges or wormholes.

Please remember these guys are sensationalists selling books that WOW the laymen. I can see that it works, too.

…and the virus discussion continues ad infinitum…

That was quite a ramble – it made no sense at all but it was quite a ramble, nonetheless.

So when you think about physics & metaphysics, space and time, we're entering in the realm of speculation

Don’t confuse physics with metaphysics – it is only metaphysics in which speculation is logic.

And sometimes you ask yourself how can you distinguish science from science fiction and philosophy

It’s clear to me that you have yet to distinguish science from science fiction. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not on TV or in movies.

Yet I can make the things even more complex for the evolutionists if I quote this If 1% of the readers is capable and patiente enough to read 21 pages of that site, that would be good. Yet it's not the only one with this idea.

Eventually Mankind will be forced to migrate to a new home on Mars before Earth grows to the size of Neptune.

ROTFLMAO! Coffee… through nose… laptop… clean up…

[(Q)]

We have to surrender to evidence objectively whether we like it or not. If you can't do that, you don't have a scientific attitude but you're dogmatic always believing what you want to believe.

Funny, you don’t follow your own advice.

I know I will hate to change some ideas but I will in behalf of science, not my prefered and beloved imaginary mental toy to play with during decades in order to satisfy my own ego.

Let us know when you do decide to change some of your ideas.

Let's say our universe is 5 billion years old. I really don't trust too much in the data giving by methods used.

Do you even understand the data or the methods used?

Because they are not measuring time in first place but activity on time which is different and based upon some speculations.

Confirmed. You don’t understand the date or the methods.

The rythm of acceleration is the Principles of Physic Cosmology: Every time the universe duplicates, the perception of time divides in the middle. When universe was small it duplicated faster, when it gets bigger it takes more time to duplicate.

Your capacity to shovel it higher and deeper gets higher and deeper all the time.

Scientist George Ferrows (not a Creationist) calculated the probability against entropy or gravity appearing by itself in a number followed by 123 zeros never happening in nature. He recognizes the universe urges the believe in a "creator". And of course, this is not an anecdote cos he was using math which is an exact science though U-know-Who will never understand that.

You’ll need to provide a source for this – I want to see that math.

A scientist requires more than memorizing formulas, he requires imagination.

Yes, but a credible scientist will not allow his imagination to rule his logic, as does people like Hoagland and Van Flandern.

We have read many times and saw the images in Scientific American and books or other magazines about the deformation of the space, the illustration of the iron ball upon a sheet and the smaller balls been affected by the weigh of the ball on the tissue

That is reference to general relativity – the ball and sheet analogy is used to describe GR to laymen.

Kaku imagined the point of view of fishes inside the aquarium if they were taken out from their liquid universe. Hawkings thinks in bubbles connected with other soap bubbles-universes via bridges or wormholes.

Please remember these guys are sensationalists selling books that WOW the laymen. I can see that it works, too.

…and the virus discussion continues ad infinitum…

That was quite a ramble – it made no sense at all but it was quite a ramble, nonetheless.

So when you think about physics & metaphysics, space and time, we're entering in the realm of speculation

Don’t confuse physics with metaphysics – it is only metaphysics in which speculation is logic.

And sometimes you ask yourself how can you distinguish science from science fiction and philosophy

It’s clear to me that you have yet to distinguish science from science fiction. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not on TV or in movies.

Yet I can make the things even more complex for the evolutionists if I quote this If 1% of the readers is capable and patiente enough to read 21 pages of that site, that would be good. Yet it's not the only one with this idea.

Eventually Mankind will be forced to migrate to a new home on Mars before Earth grows to the size of Neptune.

ROTFLMAO! Coffee… through nose… laptop… clean up…

[SpiritualSon]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

how true how true... :lol:

wa:-do

The Holy Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation was written in correspondences. In order to understand the Word you have the knowledge of correspondences.The science of correspondences and representatives was the chief science among the ancients; especially among the eastern nations.In Egypt more than elsewhere. Likewise among the Gentiles, as in Greece and other places, however, that science is among the lost sciences, particularly in Europe.

The idolatries of nations in ancient times arose from the study of correspondences among them for the reason that everything appearing on the earth has a correspondence-as, for instance, not only trees, but also animals and birds of every kind, as well as fish, and so on.

The ancients, who had a knowledge of correspondences, made images for themselves that corresponded to spiritual things, and they took delight in them, because they symbolized such things as had to do with heaven and so with the church.

They put images like this not only in their temples but also in their houses, not as objects of worship, but to remind them of the heavenly things which they symbolized.

In Egypt they therefore set up images of calves, bulls, snakes, children, old people,and maidens, among other things, because a calf symbolized the innocence of the natural person, bulls the affections of the natural person, snakes the prudence of the sensual person, a child signifies innocence, old people wisdom, maidens affections for truth, and so forth.

After a knowledge of correspondences was there extinguished, their descendants-who did not know what these things symbolized-began to worship the images and figures set up by the ancients, first as holy objects, and finally as deities, because they were placed in and around temples.

The hieroglyphics of the Egyptians came from the same origin. So did other similar things in other nations-such as Dagon with the Philistines in Ashdod, whose upper half was like that of a man and its lower half like that of a fish. This image was invented because a man symbolizes rational intelligence and a fish natural knowledge.

The correspondences of the Lord's words, in John "My Father and I are one", means this that the Soul and Body are one in Jesus Christ.

The five foolish virgin without oil in their lamps correspondences to those who are in faith alone,without charity. The lamp correspondences to faith,charity means love.

May I ask a question: When is this guy going to stop drinking? :drink:

Harry

[SpiritualSon]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

how true how true... :lol:

wa:-do

The Holy Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation was written in correspondences. In order to understand the Word you have the knowledge of correspondences.The science of correspondences and representatives was the chief science among the ancients; especially among the eastern nations.In Egypt more than elsewhere. Likewise among the Gentiles, as in Greece and other places, however, that science is among the lost sciences, particularly in Europe.

The idolatries of nations in ancient times arose from the study of correspondences among them for the reason that everything appearing on the earth has a correspondence-as, for instance, not only trees, but also animals and birds of every kind, as well as fish, and so on.

The ancients, who had a knowledge of correspondences, made images for themselves that corresponded to spiritual things, and they took delight in them, because they symbolized such things as had to do with heaven and so with the church.

They put images like this not only in their temples but also in their houses, not as objects of worship, but to remind them of the heavenly things which they symbolized.

In Egypt they therefore set up images of calves, bulls, snakes, children, old people,and maidens, among other things, because a calf symbolized the innocence of the natural person, bulls the affections of the natural person, snakes the prudence of the sensual person, a child signifies innocence, old people wisdom, maidens affections for truth, and so forth.

After a knowledge of correspondences was there extinguished, their descendants-who did not know what these things symbolized-began to worship the images and figures set up by the ancients, first as holy objects, and finally as deities, because they were placed in and around temples.

The hieroglyphics of the Egyptians came from the same origin. So did other similar things in other nations-such as Dagon with the Philistines in Ashdod, whose upper half was like that of a man and its lower half like that of a fish. This image was invented because a man symbolizes rational intelligence and a fish natural knowledge.

The correspondences of the Lord's words, in John "My Father and I are one", means this that the Soul and Body are one in Jesus Christ.

The five foolish virgin without oil in their lamps correspondences to those who are in faith alone,without charity. The lamp correspondences to faith,charity means love.

May I ask a question: When is this guy going to stop drinking? :drink:

Harry