Creation vs. Evolution (Earth, Eden, genesis, eternal, bible)

[inca]

In that forum, Erik and Brent butter up each other but never answered the questions. In fact, the one who runs the site is friend of one of them. There was another thread closed too. It was someone who wrote about Khufu's math and that issue also irritated the "moderator". About space-time:
A scientist requires more than memorizing formulas, he requires imagination. We have read many times and saw the images in Scientific American and books or other magazines about the deformation of the space, the illustration of the iron ball upon a sheet and the smaller balls been affected by the weigh of the ball on the tissue. No example can really duplicate reality. In this case it’s obvious the “orbits” of smaller balls would stop after a while side by side with the bigger ball. Repeating the experience in space without the effect of gravity (or distant from the Earth whose mass is deforming the space) the iron ball and the rest of balls will float. Kaku imagined the point of view of fishes inside the aquarium if they were taken out from their liquid universe. Hawkings thinks in bubbles connected with other soap bubbles-universes via bridges or wormholes. Hence, I would like to use the “liquid” example AND CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW SCIENCE IS SOLD TO US:
A blue ping-pong ball represents Earth, other balls are floating in a swimming pool filled with black ink or black paint rather than crystal water. Jupiter can be represented as an orange basketball. You can spread colorful dust above the black liquid surface in your imagination.
Meanwhile, Mr self-centered Mr Q-virus dwelling on blue ping-pong ball discusses “you’re talking trees…” and virus-Oscar (Inca) replies “don’t worry, several virus are already talking about the ‘theory of everything’ cos all is linked to each other, besides some other virus are saying the planet-balls are changing position and are behaving strange just like the big yellow fire-ball Sun”. Other Virus-participant exclaims ‘Prove it!’ Oscar-virus answers: “it’s difficult to know for sure, we have sent our telescopes and satellites which are big and yet in virus-scale and to see what is going on from this corner of the swimming pool is like using a micro-camera in a corner of a baseball stadium, no panoramic comprehension! You can send cesium watches, devices, but the results are gonna be pretty similar to our ping-pong blue ball. When the device is reaching the Sun-ball the virus salute each other watching the things in their virus scale. They take photographs of the “universe”:
http://users.skynet.be/sky03361/html2/trip2.html
You know what, there are other virus saying there’s a hole in the center of the swimming pool and they say it’s actually swallowing liquid black space like virus-actor Hannibal Canibal Anthony Hopkins. I don’t think we’re gonna know for sure how is this thing change our position (and therefore our time as observed in each ball), but I guess we’re approaching to a position in which the acceleration will come due to the whirlpool”. “In fact”, he adds, “it will be like the orbits of the balls are getting too close to each other, closer and closer before entering and be sucked by the swimming pool’s mouth”.www.nasca.org/uk/danger/danger.html
Mr-Q-Virus answers: “You’re insane, are you stone or something?” “That’s the Great Atractor or group of superclusters (greater than 10^15 solar masses) which is pulling Milky Way (only 15 Mpc in length) towards it at 600,000 mls”. “Yap!, but I’m not talking JUST about the Milky Way, I’m taking about the whole black liquid in the universal swimming pool, the spiral, the Fibonacci, like the virus who’s placed in the first song of the vinyl record and traveling at the same revolutions per minute than the virus placed in the last song, when they start to walk around the axis or center of the vinyl record there are three times, the time of the movement of the record itself (45 revolutions by minute), the long time the virus of the first song requires to walk above the vinyl record to complete a circle, and the shorter time to do the same for the virus who’s walking in the last song in smaller diameter, got it?”
At the very same time the virus-astronauts out from blue ping-pong ball’s ionosphere start to feel awfully bad because the lack of natural pulsation of 7,8 cycles in the same wave of their virus-cerebral masses as Shumann waves, electric storms cause severe damage in their virus-hearts. They get back to ping-pong blue pall to correct some damages in artificial generators of Shumann waves.
Yet, without these virus know, other virus in other part of the blue ping-pong ball are arguing the borders of the swimming pool were made of mirror, so they guess the reflection gave the false impression of a bigger swimming pool with more black ink or black paint liquid space. Somewhere else, the Russian-virus and a fistful of American-virus went beyond and shout: “The swimming pool is not rectangular, circular, or with the shape of a guitar but it seems to be a dodecahedron”.
Oscar-virus continues: “Don’t you worry, country-fellow-virus self-MR Q, we’re probably gonna pass through the whirlpool black hole in the middle of the swimming pool and though millions will perish (too shaky) and there will be survivors cos the black liquid will go into other swimming pool, everything will preserve. Yet the other swimming pool is built in different way and various levels and submitted to currents running in opposite directions. “What? Are you nuts? Don’t you know everything will be collapsed and we will all be transformed into spaguetti-virus stretched by the gravity and supersingularity of that wormhole?”
“Wait a second” –answer an intruder virus- “it all depends if the vehicle blue ping-pong-Earth passes through the ring or border of the hole”…Yet, other virus desperate outcries “no, this ain’t real, it’s just an hologram, in fact every ball and all inhabitant virus of the swimming pool (even the ones existing into our image and resemblance in the balls beyond) are just part of the game of light, the hologram gave the illusion of dodecahedron swimming pool, the black liquid in it, the mirror borders and everything else, if someone who is not light tries to touch the illusion, there will be nothing there and it will pass through the illusion…A virus in the middle of the conference asks: “what causes the hologram?” Nobody knows and everybody shut up and a silent virus doesn’t even dare to ask if there’s something unique that is not illusion, something in fact REAL, a belt of photons, a crystal or God…and the virus discussion continues ad infinitum…

[inca]

In that forum, Erik and Brent butter up each other but never answered the questions. In fact, the one who runs the site is friend of one of them. There was another thread closed too. It was someone who wrote about Khufu's math and that issue also irritated the "moderator". About space-time:
A scientist requires more than memorizing formulas, he requires imagination. We have read many times and saw the images in Scientific American and books or other magazines about the deformation of the space, the illustration of the iron ball upon a sheet and the smaller balls been affected by the weigh of the ball on the tissue. No example can really duplicate reality. In this case it’s obvious the “orbits” of smaller balls would stop after a while side by side with the bigger ball. Repeating the experience in space without the effect of gravity (or distant from the Earth whose mass is deforming the space) the iron ball and the rest of balls will float. Kaku imagined the point of view of fishes inside the aquarium if they were taken out from their liquid universe. Hawkings thinks in bubbles connected with other soap bubbles-universes via bridges or wormholes. Hence, I would like to use the “liquid” example AND CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW SCIENCE IS SOLD TO US:
A blue ping-pong ball represents Earth, other balls are floating in a swimming pool filled with black ink or black paint rather than crystal water. Jupiter can be represented as an orange basketball. You can spread colorful dust above the black liquid surface in your imagination.
Meanwhile, Mr self-centered Mr Q-virus dwelling on blue ping-pong ball discusses “you’re talking trees…” and virus-Oscar (Inca) replies “don’t worry, several virus are already talking about the ‘theory of everything’ cos all is linked to each other, besides some other virus are saying the planet-balls are changing position and are behaving strange just like the big yellow fire-ball Sun”. Other Virus-participant exclaims ‘Prove it!’ Oscar-virus answers: “it’s difficult to know for sure, we have sent our telescopes and satellites which are big and yet in virus-scale and to see what is going on from this corner of the swimming pool is like using a micro-camera in a corner of a baseball stadium, no panoramic comprehension! You can send cesium watches, devices, but the results are gonna be pretty similar to our ping-pong blue ball. When the device is reaching the Sun-ball the virus salute each other watching the things in their virus scale. They take photographs of the “universe”:
http://users.skynet.be/sky03361/html2/trip2.html
You know what, there are other virus saying there’s a hole in the center of the swimming pool and they say it’s actually swallowing liquid black space like virus-actor Hannibal Canibal Anthony Hopkins. I don’t think we’re gonna know for sure how is this thing change our position (and therefore our time as observed in each ball), but I guess we’re approaching to a position in which the acceleration will come due to the whirlpool”. “In fact”, he adds, “it will be like the orbits of the balls are getting too close to each other, closer and closer before entering and be sucked by the swimming pool’s mouth”.www.nasca.org/uk/danger/danger.html
Mr-Q-Virus answers: “You’re insane, are you stone or something?” “That’s the Great Atractor or group of superclusters (greater than 10^15 solar masses) which is pulling Milky Way (only 15 Mpc in length) towards it at 600,000 mls”. “Yap!, but I’m not talking JUST about the Milky Way, I’m taking about the whole black liquid in the universal swimming pool, the spiral, the Fibonacci, like the virus who’s placed in the first song of the vinyl record and traveling at the same revolutions per minute than the virus placed in the last song, when they start to walk around the axis or center of the vinyl record there are three times, the time of the movement of the record itself (45 revolutions by minute), the long time the virus of the first song requires to walk above the vinyl record to complete a circle, and the shorter time to do the same for the virus who’s walking in the last song in smaller diameter, got it?”
At the very same time the virus-astronauts out from blue ping-pong ball’s ionosphere start to feel awfully bad because the lack of natural pulsation of 7,8 cycles in the same wave of their virus-cerebral masses as Shumann waves, electric storms cause severe damage in their virus-hearts. They get back to ping-pong blue pall to correct some damages in artificial generators of Shumann waves.
Yet, without these virus know, other virus in other part of the blue ping-pong ball are arguing the borders of the swimming pool were made of mirror, so they guess the reflection gave the false impression of a bigger swimming pool with more black ink or black paint liquid space. Somewhere else, the Russian-virus and a fistful of American-virus went beyond and shout: “The swimming pool is not rectangular, circular, or with the shape of a guitar but it seems to be a dodecahedron”.
Oscar-virus continues: “Don’t you worry, country-fellow-virus self-MR Q, we’re probably gonna pass through the whirlpool black hole in the middle of the swimming pool and though millions will perish (too shaky) and there will be survivors cos the black liquid will go into other swimming pool, everything will preserve. Yet the other swimming pool is built in different way and various levels and submitted to currents running in opposite directions. “What? Are you nuts? Don’t you know everything will be collapsed and we will all be transformed into spaguetti-virus stretched by the gravity and supersingularity of that wormhole?”
“Wait a second” –answer an intruder virus- “it all depends if the vehicle blue ping-pong-Earth passes through the ring or border of the hole”…Yet, other virus desperate outcries “no, this ain’t real, it’s just an hologram, in fact every ball and all inhabitant virus of the swimming pool (even the ones existing into our image and resemblance in the balls beyond) are just part of the game of light, the hologram gave the illusion of dodecahedron swimming pool, the black liquid in it, the mirror borders and everything else, if someone who is not light tries to touch the illusion, there will be nothing there and it will pass through the illusion…A virus in the middle of the conference asks: “what causes the hologram?” Nobody knows and everybody shut up and a silent virus doesn’t even dare to ask if there’s something unique that is not illusion, something in fact REAL, a belt of photons, a crystal or God…and the virus discussion continues ad infinitum…

[inca]

So when you think about physics & metaphysics, space and time, we're entering in the realm of speculation , contradictory ideas and the use of exact science in math but interpreted in different ways according to the licking of particular scientist. And sometimes you ask yourself how can you distinguish science from science fiction and philosophy like Descartes or Imanuel Kant if everything is an illusion or if time can exist in time itself or space within space, etc, something I discussed in my Spanish site regarding the first film Matrix in:
www.therealmatrix.cjb.net
www.therealmatrix.rg3.net
Though I wrote pretty much in Portuguese as well and perhaps Russian in the future. Yet I can make the things even more complex for the evolutionists if I quote this:
www.expanding-earth.org

[inca]

So when you think about physics & metaphysics, space and time, we're entering in the realm of speculation , contradictory ideas and the use of exact science in math but interpreted in different ways according to the licking of particular scientist. And sometimes you ask yourself how can you distinguish science from science fiction and philosophy like Descartes or Imanuel Kant if everything is an illusion or if time can exist in time itself or space within space, etc, something I discussed in my Spanish site regarding the first film Matrix in:
www.therealmatrix.cjb.net
www.therealmatrix.rg3.net
Though I wrote pretty much in Portuguese as well and perhaps Russian in the future. Yet I can make the things even more complex for the evolutionists if I quote this:
www.expanding-earth.org

[inca]

OOOPS, I wrote "licking" instead of "liking"!

[inca]

OOOPS, I wrote "licking" instead of "liking"!

[inca]

If 1% of the readers is capable and patiente enough to read 21 pages of that site, that would be good. Yet it's not the only one with this idea. To say the story in a nutshell:
The Earth has been expanding as well like the Universe. It once had the shape of an egg and now is getting flatter in the poles and has a bigger belly in Equator area. The "days" were shorter and the "years" were different (you were asking about time, weren't you?) and so the uniformitarian theory saying the present is the key to understand the past is also a flaw cos we don't know the events of the past; we are unsure of how Earth came into existence or even the Moon. We ignore the forces splitting Pangea continent or the gravity allowing the supercontinent in first place. If a meteor wiped out dinosaurs and other species, the very mass had to be added to the Earth and the planet was affected too. There's evidence in the bubbles of air preserved in amber that the amount of oxygen was different from now and perhaps not only the ticking of time (days and years) is completely based upon hypothesis but there's no way to know (only guess) even density, atmosphere and gravity was completely different from now and that would explain the gigantism (not as isolated mutation) of dinosaurs and even cockroaches , birds the size of horses, plants, etc. Something that should've been explained by geologists in first place and not paleonthologist! Elephants were dwarfs compared with sauroposseidon and yet some of the dinosaurs were faster than a baby elephant that has problems to get out of mud sometimes or even can't breath in certain position. I have discussed the issue with specialists and they are always irritated, so if anyone wants to open a new thread trying to prove me wrong, go ahead, make my day! All what I write is not to give the impression we know enough. All the opposite, is to make clear that everything you took for granted as truth maybe is not and we need to know a lot in order to set the pieces of the huge jigsaw puzzle in order. It ain't easy, I tell ya.

[inca]

If 1% of the readers is capable and patiente enough to read 21 pages of that site, that would be good. Yet it's not the only one with this idea. To say the story in a nutshell:
The Earth has been expanding as well like the Universe. It once had the shape of an egg and now is getting flatter in the poles and has a bigger belly in Equator area. The "days" were shorter and the "years" were different (you were asking about time, weren't you?) and so the uniformitarian theory saying the present is the key to understand the past is also a flaw cos we don't know the events of the past; we are unsure of how Earth came into existence or even the Moon. We ignore the forces splitting Pangea continent or the gravity allowing the supercontinent in first place. If a meteor wiped out dinosaurs and other species, the very mass had to be added to the Earth and the planet was affected too. There's evidence in the bubbles of air preserved in amber that the amount of oxygen was different from now and perhaps not only the ticking of time (days and years) is completely based upon hypothesis but there's no way to know (only guess) even density, atmosphere and gravity was completely different from now and that would explain the gigantism (not as isolated mutation) of dinosaurs and even cockroaches , birds the size of horses, plants, etc. Something that should've been explained by geologists in first place and not paleonthologist! Elephants were dwarfs compared with sauroposseidon and yet some of the dinosaurs were faster than a baby elephant that has problems to get out of mud sometimes or even can't breath in certain position. I have discussed the issue with specialists and they are always irritated, so if anyone wants to open a new thread trying to prove me wrong, go ahead, make my day! All what I write is not to give the impression we know enough. All the opposite, is to make clear that everything you took for granted as truth maybe is not and we need to know a lot in order to set the pieces of the huge jigsaw puzzle in order. It ain't easy, I tell ya.

[Mr Spinkles]

:lol: :lol:

inca, that is the most bizarre bunch of rambling I've ever heard. You didn't answer my question, so I'll post it again.

If humans didn't evolve, then why don't we find any human fossils way back in the fossil record? Why, instead, are there so many fossils that appear to be partly ape, then half ape half human, then partly human, then mostly ape? What is your alternative theory to explain these observations?

[Mr Spinkles]

:lol: :lol:

inca, that is the most bizarre bunch of rambling I've ever heard. You didn't answer my question, so I'll post it again.

If humans didn't evolve, then why don't we find any human fossils way back in the fossil record? Why, instead, are there so many fossils that appear to be partly ape, then half ape half human, then partly human, then mostly ape? What is your alternative theory to explain these observations?