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#191
05-10-2004, 12:29 PM
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of cource I know about Uktena, or as she was also know Unktehi, Uncegila and several other names...
the detail of the story vary... according to the Sioux she was killed by a brave pair of brothers one of wich was blind... Uncegila could kill a man who looked in her eyes... Some say her heart held her power in a great crystal that both burned and froze... it was distroyed eventually... stoping her evil. Her bones make up the mountains and from time to time you can find them coming out of the rocks... yes I know Uktena.... I'm not ignorant of my culture... and I keep a close eye on waterways, just incase... she has children who may or may not still live. But speaking scientiflically I wont say yes or no untill I see proof... We also have stories of rolling/flying canibilistic heads... its a common misconception that any spirits we honor are automatically 'gods'.... we see them as our elder brothers and sisters/ grandfathers/ grandmothers.... Creator is above and a part of everything.... glad your intrested in a secetive stories but they dont make you an authority on my people... but hey, thanks for the insult.... :killme: wa:-do 
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#192
05-10-2004, 12:29 PM
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of cource I know about Uktena, or as she was also know Unktehi, Uncegila and several other names...
the detail of the story vary... according to the Sioux she was killed by a brave pair of brothers one of wich was blind... Uncegila could kill a man who looked in her eyes... Some say her heart held her power in a great crystal that both burned and froze... it was distroyed eventually... stoping her evil. Her bones make up the mountains and from time to time you can find them coming out of the rocks... yes I know Uktena.... I'm not ignorant of my culture... and I keep a close eye on waterways, just incase... she has children who may or may not still live. But speaking scientiflically I wont say yes or no untill I see proof... We also have stories of rolling/flying canibilistic heads... its a common misconception that any spirits we honor are automatically 'gods'.... we see them as our elder brothers and sisters/ grandfathers/ grandmothers.... Creator is above and a part of everything.... glad your intrested in a secetive stories but they dont make you an authority on my people... but hey, thanks for the insult.... :killme: wa:-do
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#193
05-10-2004, 04:59 PM
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No, I'm not an authority. But I 'm aware about universal legends and the fact some entities come out of stones is not a legend. Even the "evil" aspect of that particular legend. This thing is something investigated by Nasa consultant and awarded because of his Excellence in Science, Richard Hoagland. Not only him. And you know what? It's just an example of what happens in hyperdimensions and don't have to wait until "science" duplicates the oniric experience of dreams to believe in the existence of dreams (millions have been dreaming for thousands of years) yet the experience is very subjective cos you can't reproduce it in a machine. The same can be said about shamans experience. So, if I were ignorant I would say like a cynical imbecil your whole heritage is crap and "mere" myths. I'm respectful cos I know they knew something science can't even touch or are beginning to touch:
www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.htm http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/ma...arcahuasi.html So, when we talk about creation, don't think only in dense matter. Creation came even before the right levogire aminoacids in the right number and combination to produce the right number of proteins and the important parts of DNA and eventually a cell. That universe losts in binary (or other) codes. So, when you say the animal spirits are like "brothers" I don't laugh. I know there's a literal truth beneath those words. Unfortunately I think you have understand nothing from what I said.
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#194
05-10-2004, 04:59 PM
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No, I'm not an authority. But I 'm aware about universal legends and the fact some entities come out of stones is not a legend. Even the "evil" aspect of that particular legend. This thing is something investigated by Nasa consultant and awarded because of his Excellence in Science, Richard Hoagland. Not only him. And you know what? It's just an example of what happens in hyperdimensions and don't have to wait until "science" duplicates the oniric experience of dreams to believe in the existence of dreams (millions have been dreaming for thousands of years) yet the experience is very subjective cos you can't reproduce it in a machine. The same can be said about shamans experience. So, if I were ignorant I would say like a cynical imbecil your whole heritage is crap and "mere" myths. I'm respectful cos I know they knew something science can't even touch or are beginning to touch:
www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.htm http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/ma...arcahuasi.html So, when we talk about creation, don't think only in dense matter. Creation came even before the right levogire aminoacids in the right number and combination to produce the right number of proteins and the important parts of DNA and eventually a cell. That universe losts in binary (or other) codes. So, when you say the animal spirits are like "brothers" I don't laugh. I know there's a literal truth beneath those words. Unfortunately I think you have understand nothing from what I said.
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#195
05-11-2004, 12:37 AM
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Not just the animals spirits..the animals themselves.
Evolution also helps me account for my animal brothers... we are all related, both spiritualy and factually because we all come from the same ancestors... DNA is showing just how close we all are to one another... humans and chimps are 98% identical... and just a tad less for other apes... Bonobos, Gorillias, Orangutans, then Gibbons respectively... another fun DNA comparison shows that Fungus is actually closer to animals than to plants in terms of its DNA... Uktena didn't come from rocks... she was a water monster... no one says where she came from... Her spine turned into mountains when she died.... While I don't doubt that Uktena was a real something, I think she may have been... 'embelished' a bit over the years. wa:-do
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#196
05-11-2004, 12:37 AM
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Not just the animals spirits..the animals themselves.
Evolution also helps me account for my animal brothers... we are all related, both spiritualy and factually because we all come from the same ancestors... DNA is showing just how close we all are to one another... humans and chimps are 98% identical... and just a tad less for other apes... Bonobos, Gorillias, Orangutans, then Gibbons respectively... another fun DNA comparison shows that Fungus is actually closer to animals than to plants in terms of its DNA... Uktena didn't come from rocks... she was a water monster... no one says where she came from... Her spine turned into mountains when she died.... While I don't doubt that Uktena was a real something, I think she may have been... 'embelished' a bit over the years. wa:-do
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#197
05-11-2004, 06:05 AM
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Yap, fungus evolved from animal HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!
I have already mentioned the important differences in human beings which are not present even in the similar beings and the links. It's obvious all beings have something in common cos DNA is omnipresent on Earth and wasn't sowed by meteor "pansperm" accident. Yet, as experts in genetic have demonstrated there are no jumps in different species. Similarity doesn't prove anything. The eye of the octopus seems to have some human characteristics and so what? Don't be deceived by what some people write. There are clones of cats that should be completely equal to the original "father" or "mother" and yet they are different...even in the same species. They are trying to investigate why. You're giving more details but fail to demonstrate any evolution whatsoever. You can go 20 additional pages if you want.
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#198
05-11-2004, 06:05 AM
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Yap, fungus evolved from animal HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!
I have already mentioned the important differences in human beings which are not present even in the similar beings and the links. It's obvious all beings have something in common cos DNA is omnipresent on Earth and wasn't sowed by meteor "pansperm" accident. Yet, as experts in genetic have demonstrated there are no jumps in different species. Similarity doesn't prove anything. The eye of the octopus seems to have some human characteristics and so what? Don't be deceived by what some people write. There are clones of cats that should be completely equal to the original "father" or "mother" and yet they are different...even in the same species. They are trying to investigate why. You're giving more details but fail to demonstrate any evolution whatsoever. You can go 20 additional pages if you want.
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#199
05-11-2004, 06:18 AM
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I didn't say Ukthena came out from rocks, I said "some entities". But anyway there are rocks and rocks in different places. The sites I mentioned say explicitly the Uktena "came and went from this world to underworld through caves under water of rivers and lakes and certain entrances into the earth....hide in deep pools and lonely passes in high mountains". I think you misunderstood....again.
Even if we are too close, we are still waiting more and more experiences to demonstrate, let's say a breeding between a Rhesus monkey with a gorilla would create an intelligent human being (including a beardless female)... Until then....
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#200
05-11-2004, 06:18 AM
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I didn't say Ukthena came out from rocks, I said "some entities". But anyway there are rocks and rocks in different places. The sites I mentioned say explicitly the Uktena "came and went from this world to underworld through caves under water of rivers and lakes and certain entrances into the earth....hide in deep pools and lonely passes in high mountains". I think you misunderstood....again.
Even if we are too close, we are still waiting more and more experiences to demonstrate, let's say a breeding between a Rhesus monkey with a gorilla would create an intelligent human being (including a beardless female)... Until then....
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