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#181
05-10-2004, 12:07 AM
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I don't think we were solely responcible for the extinction of the other hominids or apes... I'm saying we are a very efficent nail in the coffin....
one of the most tramatic things a species can experience is a change in its environment... this was happining as the glaciers advanced and then retreated creating new ecosystems and distroying old ones.... species that cant adapt to new conditions die off... we do have a habit of helping them allong though...eaven you cant argue that one Plese explain your 'universal' myth of aliens interbreading with humans... I've heard no such myths from my people... Perhaps aliens created westerners? races exist because people adapted to different environments with the help of localized gene pools... much like why different breeds of horses, dogs, cattle, sheep and goats exist.... the genetic difference is absolutely tiney... .001% of the DNA. the primary difference... mellinin ammounts is how people adapted to differing ammounts of UV radiation... more UV exposure, more mellinin, darker skin... Less UV, less mellinin, lighter skin... I dont ignore the skulls from anywhere... The skull binding phenomina was quite common all over the americas... Peruvian, Mayan, the "Flat-heads" of california, eaven my own Cherokee ancestors performed this body alteration.... you can tell from the formation of the bones that they were altered as they grew... much like the foot binding practice of China or the 'giraffe neck' practices of maylasia and africa... it shows on the bones. every branch of science debates its basic belief systems... I'll use paleontology as its my strongest field... The most earth shaking arguments began in the 60's and continue today... such as the warm-cold debate in referance to metabolism in dinosaurs... we are also still debating the 'avian origens'.... both of these theories are mostly settled but science is about pushing theories and so the debate continues in a good natured way... keeping science on its toes... other arguments include... T.rex.. hunter vs. scavenger Oviraptor egg theif or good mom... how the heck did stegosaurus do it? flight mecanics of pterosaurs swimming mecanics of plesiosaurs... boy I bet they would love to see a living one to settle that debate! I personally don't fully agree with the feathered baby T-rex... We know from skin impressions of fully grown Carnotaurus that they had boney noduals like a mosaic in thie skin (like the legs of a bird)... T-rex being a relitively close cousin to carnotaurus probably had skin like this as well... However I am amazed by the number of good specimins of other theropods with feathers we are finding... such as the Dromeaosaurs (raptors in JP) Therizrinosaurs (wierd plant eating threopods) Oviraptors (the 'infamous' and falce egg thief) dozens of new birds such as Confusicornis Scinosauropteryx (a basal little celeosaur) et cet... as for this one : http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smi...ay04/iran.html from my reading of it... they arn't ignoring him they are simply waiting for more evidence... a valid thing in science... Archeology is well known for its arguments on dates and its considered the most importent thing for them to verify... look at Monte Verde... they are going back to the site more than 20 years later in hopes of getting better dates because they are so hotly debated... to think that the 'establishment' isn't intrested in obviously important sites is falce.... ps.. I saw an intresting documentery a few years back about the 'maping-guari'(sp) supposidly a living giant sloth... a biologist heard about it from the natives and decided to devote his life to finding it.... they spent several weeks in the jungle, going to all the places he knew it would be... they never found it... but they got some hair and dung samples that later turned out to belong to tapirs and monkeys... but who knows maybe some day... also they had reports of 'giant prehistoric elephants' in far northern india... it was hoped that they were mammoths... they also got DNA samples from the supposedly prehistoric animals... they turned out to be regular asian elephants... just a little bit bigger than normal... wa:-do 
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#182
05-10-2004, 12:07 AM
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I don't think we were solely responcible for the extinction of the other hominids or apes... I'm saying we are a very efficent nail in the coffin....
one of the most tramatic things a species can experience is a change in its environment... this was happining as the glaciers advanced and then retreated creating new ecosystems and distroying old ones.... species that cant adapt to new conditions die off... we do have a habit of helping them allong though...eaven you cant argue that one Plese explain your 'universal' myth of aliens interbreading with humans... I've heard no such myths from my people... Perhaps aliens created westerners? races exist because people adapted to different environments with the help of localized gene pools... much like why different breeds of horses, dogs, cattle, sheep and goats exist.... the genetic difference is absolutely tiney... .001% of the DNA. the primary difference... mellinin ammounts is how people adapted to differing ammounts of UV radiation... more UV exposure, more mellinin, darker skin... Less UV, less mellinin, lighter skin... I dont ignore the skulls from anywhere... The skull binding phenomina was quite common all over the americas... Peruvian, Mayan, the "Flat-heads" of california, eaven my own Cherokee ancestors performed this body alteration.... you can tell from the formation of the bones that they were altered as they grew... much like the foot binding practice of China or the 'giraffe neck' practices of maylasia and africa... it shows on the bones. every branch of science debates its basic belief systems... I'll use paleontology as its my strongest field... The most earth shaking arguments began in the 60's and continue today... such as the warm-cold debate in referance to metabolism in dinosaurs... we are also still debating the 'avian origens'.... both of these theories are mostly settled but science is about pushing theories and so the debate continues in a good natured way... keeping science on its toes... other arguments include... T.rex.. hunter vs. scavenger Oviraptor egg theif or good mom... how the heck did stegosaurus do it? flight mecanics of pterosaurs swimming mecanics of plesiosaurs... boy I bet they would love to see a living one to settle that debate! I personally don't fully agree with the feathered baby T-rex... We know from skin impressions of fully grown Carnotaurus that they had boney noduals like a mosaic in thie skin (like the legs of a bird)... T-rex being a relitively close cousin to carnotaurus probably had skin like this as well... However I am amazed by the number of good specimins of other theropods with feathers we are finding... such as the Dromeaosaurs (raptors in JP) Therizrinosaurs (wierd plant eating threopods) Oviraptors (the 'infamous' and falce egg thief) dozens of new birds such as Confusicornis Scinosauropteryx (a basal little celeosaur) et cet... as for this one : http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smi...ay04/iran.html from my reading of it... they arn't ignoring him they are simply waiting for more evidence... a valid thing in science... Archeology is well known for its arguments on dates and its considered the most importent thing for them to verify... look at Monte Verde... they are going back to the site more than 20 years later in hopes of getting better dates because they are so hotly debated... to think that the 'establishment' isn't intrested in obviously important sites is falce.... ps.. I saw an intresting documentery a few years back about the 'maping-guari'(sp) supposidly a living giant sloth... a biologist heard about it from the natives and decided to devote his life to finding it.... they spent several weeks in the jungle, going to all the places he knew it would be... they never found it... but they got some hair and dung samples that later turned out to belong to tapirs and monkeys... but who knows maybe some day... also they had reports of 'giant prehistoric elephants' in far northern india... it was hoped that they were mammoths... they also got DNA samples from the supposedly prehistoric animals... they turned out to be regular asian elephants... just a little bit bigger than normal... wa:-do
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#183
05-10-2004, 06:40 AM
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And then again I say unto you: environment changes don't change species so much as to transform them into other species as evolution proposed. Back to mutations and square one AGAIN. That is what science has discovered. I agree with you races are just superficial genetic differences. Nowhere I said something different. Now all sort of dogs bark and have the caracteristics of a dog. Evolution wants us to believe hominids were something like "races" or subspecies breeding each other eventually becoming into our own specie. If you believed that lie, well , I pity you. You can disguise the idea with pretty funny names but it's pretty much like this. There are some "chickens" which have some characteristic of archeopterix, that never proved evolution.
I'm sorry to say regarding the skulls you're wrong again BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT READING THE POSTS, you keep on jumping and are quick to answer. First read and then reply. Some skulls in Peru were not artificially deformed and that is specifically written in the site (and other sites as well). I know myself cos I'm Peruvian as you're Cherokee descent. I won't discuss here the alien gods around the world cos that would be too detail and a bit off topic. But I'm sure the "spirits" of your ancestrals gave the same importance to animals as it's been giving all around the world. Have you practiced shamanism experience to be in contact with those hyperdimensional realms as your ancestrals did? I ask you cos I don't want you to think about me as someone who believes the entities must be like Benitez or Däniken images. Perhaps both of you can find a point of equilibrium that science is reaching in Planck dimension, billions of billions times smaller than a proton. There's no human device to check that not even a lab which can reproduce the oniric experience of dreams though Japanese have invented a device that can alter the dreams "under request".
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#184
05-10-2004, 06:40 AM
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And then again I say unto you: environment changes don't change species so much as to transform them into other species as evolution proposed. Back to mutations and square one AGAIN. That is what science has discovered. I agree with you races are just superficial genetic differences. Nowhere I said something different. Now all sort of dogs bark and have the caracteristics of a dog. Evolution wants us to believe hominids were something like "races" or subspecies breeding each other eventually becoming into our own specie. If you believed that lie, well , I pity you. You can disguise the idea with pretty funny names but it's pretty much like this. There are some "chickens" which have some characteristic of archeopterix, that never proved evolution.
I'm sorry to say regarding the skulls you're wrong again BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT READING THE POSTS, you keep on jumping and are quick to answer. First read and then reply. Some skulls in Peru were not artificially deformed and that is specifically written in the site (and other sites as well). I know myself cos I'm Peruvian as you're Cherokee descent. I won't discuss here the alien gods around the world cos that would be too detail and a bit off topic. But I'm sure the "spirits" of your ancestrals gave the same importance to animals as it's been giving all around the world. Have you practiced shamanism experience to be in contact with those hyperdimensional realms as your ancestrals did? I ask you cos I don't want you to think about me as someone who believes the entities must be like Benitez or Däniken images. Perhaps both of you can find a point of equilibrium that science is reaching in Planck dimension, billions of billions times smaller than a proton. There's no human device to check that not even a lab which can reproduce the oniric experience of dreams though Japanese have invented a device that can alter the dreams "under request".
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#185
05-10-2004, 07:06 AM
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But this is really off topic:
www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/sfoc/sfoc23.htm
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#186
05-10-2004, 07:06 AM
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But this is really off topic:
www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/sfoc/sfoc23.htm
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#187
05-10-2004, 07:13 AM
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What it's not off topic is your legend about the serpent with horns UKTENA, when ALL LIVING THINGS WERE GREAT IN SIZE:
www.powersource.com/cocinc/articles/tlanuhwa.htm www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/articles/Uktena I regret to say you don't know even your own culture!
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#188
05-10-2004, 07:13 AM
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What it's not off topic is your legend about the serpent with horns UKTENA, when ALL LIVING THINGS WERE GREAT IN SIZE:
www.powersource.com/cocinc/articles/tlanuhwa.htm www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/articles/Uktena I regret to say you don't know even your own culture!
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#189
05-10-2004, 10:34 AM
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Nice Topic
My theory/religion mix: First, life is everywhere on Earth and over the last 4 billion years living organisms have diversified and adapted to almost every environment imaginable. They all can replicate, DNA. In the 18th or 19th century these living organisms were divided into 2 kingdoms: Animalis and Plantae. Among growing evidence these kingdoms were insufficient to express life so we added Monera, Protista, and Fungi. It is my opinion that in the near future years scientist will expand this list even more. Example: viruses and even the possibilites of life forms found during space explorations to come. However my theory is Humans (because of God related reasons) are within its own kingdom. Not in the Animal kingdom. This is unscientific I think and to support my theory I use the reasoning that during the creation of mankind, God created something in man that separated man from the animal kingdom thus placing them in their own Human Kingdom. Now in relation to evolution I totally believe in evolution but only with in a living organisms own kingdom. In other words I don't believe I came from River Apes.
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#190
05-10-2004, 10:34 AM
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Nice Topic
My theory/religion mix: First, life is everywhere on Earth and over the last 4 billion years living organisms have diversified and adapted to almost every environment imaginable. They all can replicate, DNA. In the 18th or 19th century these living organisms were divided into 2 kingdoms: Animalis and Plantae. Among growing evidence these kingdoms were insufficient to express life so we added Monera, Protista, and Fungi. It is my opinion that in the near future years scientist will expand this list even more. Example: viruses and even the possibilites of life forms found during space explorations to come. However my theory is Humans (because of God related reasons) are within its own kingdom. Not in the Animal kingdom. This is unscientific I think and to support my theory I use the reasoning that during the creation of mankind, God created something in man that separated man from the animal kingdom thus placing them in their own Human Kingdom. Now in relation to evolution I totally believe in evolution but only with in a living organisms own kingdom. In other words I don't believe I came from River Apes.
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