Ask about Jehovah's Witnesses (beliefs, choice, Satan, Adam and Eve)

[kreeden]

" Over-zealous members " ? An interesting way to refer to Charles Russel .

I have studied the Bible with the Jehovah’s Witnesses , and I have to say this much for you , you do know that Bible . However , when I studied , they wouldn't eat blood ever after it was cooked . Wieners were a big issue , because of the blood in the " by-products ".

[Druidus]

Like I said before, what Blood represents - life, is destroyed after cooking. Destroyed blood is exactly that, dead blood. Once cooked, the sacredness of the blood no longer exists, and therefore, is no longer holy to God.

Then if the person you take blood from is dead, does it matter?

For example, the Bible foretold that Jesus Christ would arrive on Earth - 2000 years before the actual event took place.

NT was written after Yeshua, so it must have been OT. OT was written by the Jewish, correct? The Jewish do not accept the man you speak of as the Son of God. Since it was a Jewish prophecy, and the Jewish have not accepted it, I would not count that as true. Has the bible predicted anything verifiable today, and not just confirmable from within it's own bindings? We don't even had real proof that Jesus existed, just the second hand accounts of the bible.

• True prophecies

  Historic soundness (times, dates, years)

  Geographic accuracy (places)

  Candor (honest - tells the good, bad, and the ugly)

  Internal harmony (no contradictions)

  Practical (achieveable and good advice for everyday lives)

  Claim (who wrote it and who they give credit to

  Preservation (that the word has been preserved over history)

  Archaelogical (evidence)

There are many contradictions within the bible. I will not list them here, however. There are other Holy Books that have these criteria. All of them. Are they accepted as the word of God too?

A small description of the game: "The level of violence in this make-believe world runs high. There is hardly a game in which the players do not indulge in murder, arson, torture, rape, or highway robbery," comments veteran Dungeon Master John Eric Holmes in a recent article in Psychology Today.

I have played the game numerous times, and have much experience in it. I too am a dungeon master. There are no games where murder, arson, torture, rape or highway robbery occur. The people playing are championeering for good, and fight evils in order to save other people (NPCs, or Non-Player-Characters). For instance, in one game, an evil ogre tried to use his army to attack several towns, kill the people and take their belongings. The players job was to save the towns and people. Is that wrong? It is not improper to imagine the ogre and his army as demons. Therefore, they are only killing that which is purely evil. Is their anything wrong with killing evil to save good? Imagine if this were a real scenario. If you were the only person who could save the towns, would you? Or would you allow the ogres to pillage the towns and kill the inhabitants, merely because you dislike violence? If such things as John Holmes listed were common in games, it is only what the evil did, and the Good partook of themselves to destroy.

[kreeden]

Hey Druidus , easy on the ogres eh . I have DMed too , and have long ago given up on trying to defend the game from those who have never played it . Many don't think that dancing is acceptable niether ...

The blood issue goes back to the worship of Baal . No , I don't agree with the JW view , just trying to explain that many people have hold a very high regard to blood as the water of life , or whatever .

And just because a prophecy is not accepted , doesn't make it any less a prophecy . Does it ?

[linwood]

Originally Posted by kreeden

" Over-zealous members " ? An interesting way to refer to Charles Russel .

I have studied the Bible with the Jehovah’s Witnesses , and I have to say this much for you , you do know that Bible . However , when I studied , they wouldn't eat blood ever after it was cooked . Wieners were a big issue , because of the blood in the " by-products ".

Witnesses have decided after much critical media over the issue that blood transfusions should be left up to the individual.

Whether or not they "advise" differently in private I don`t know.

[a2ndson]

Hey witness, I want to say I'm sorry for my words that were written out of anger. You seem to be a good enough person, and my words should not have been directed at you. you are not to blame.

[linwood]

The Silent Lambs are what we call "apostates". We have no hatred toward them at all but we frown upon their accusations because they are unfounded. A few of these Silent Lamb "members" were actually former JW'S which have an axe to grind because they were expelled for serious wrongdoing. The Bible even foretold that these people would exist: "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."

You`ve got to be kidding me.

The man who founded Silent Lambs was a witness for 40 years many of which were served as an elder and in high level adminstrative, managerial positions.
He is doing what he is doing now because he has the courage and freedom of thought that you lack.
http://silentlambs.org/personal_experiences/index.cfm

The sheer number of "apostates" with serious accusations against the witnesses is enough support to look deeper into the matter.
Something you`ve apparently decided not to do and instead simply take what your elders tell you as gospel.
You would do your faith a great service if you and those like you would seek to find the truth for yourselves.
The problem cannot be fixed if it is continuously denied, the Catholic church at least seems to have gone some way towards this end with their own problems.
Not far perhaps but they have at least reached a point where denial is no longer possible.
I do understand that if you did this you too would be excommunicated.
Such is the nature of the faith.

New Hampshire: A WTS member informed elders that her husband was physically abusing their children. They took no action. For years afterwards, the man sexually and physically abused children in his own family. He was finally caught, tried and given a 56 year prison sentence.
Texas: In 1992, WTS elders ordered a teen-age boy to stop molesting his younger sister. The youth later sexually abused another sister. Police found out about the latter case when alerted by hospital staff after his victim attempted to commit suicide. In 1997, the perpetrator was given a 40-year prison term.
Maine: WTS elders disciplined a member for child molesting. Later, the perpetrator molested a teen-age boy between 1989 and 1992. It was only after the second victim disclosed the abuse to a therapist that authorities were notified.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness7.htm

Don`t tell me this is the result of a "Few Disgruntled Apostates".

Do you know that these people have never confronted our society with names, facts, and places? The reason why is because none exist. If they did exist, we would be more than happy to cooperate and to expel these people.

This is not a half truth as much of the rest of your posts here have been.
This is an outright lie.
The very system that the Witnesses have in place is designed to protect the pedophile.
There are numerous lawsuits and settlements going on right now.
Names are named, money has been paid, and people have been jailed.
You are either a deeply deeply immoral person or you are utterly ignorant.
Niether position is excusable.

I won`t go into how you pick and choose which of Jesus` words to justify your stance on the Mosaic Laws considering you are using Biblical verse to defend Child Sexual Molestation it would seem far too trivial a point on my part.

I urge anyone to simply Google the words "Jehovahs Witness" and "Pedophile " and be prepared to be astounded at the massive number of hits recieved from legitimate news, legal, and neutral religious organizations.

This cannot be changed until these people will come into the real world and admit the problem in order to work towards a solution.
This won`t happen with this cult.

I`m done with you witness, you`ve been ignored.
If I want lies and deception I`ll watch CSPAN.

Some of you who may wonder why I despise religion as I do can look at this one and attempt to understand.

[cardero]

Kreeden writes: I have studied the Bible with the Jehovah’s Witnesses , and I have to say this much for you , you do know that Bible .

Very kind and trustworthy people as well.

[kreeden]

The blood issue is still very much alive Linwood .

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw169.html

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/bethany.htm

But you may be correct in saying that it is more of a personal choice . Very much of the local beliefs appear to be left up to the local Elders , with the Watchtower more or less being a guideline . { I know that I worded that poorly , my brain is about to explode after trying to explain Jung in another thread ... }

[linwood]

Originally Posted by kreeden

The blood issue is still very much alive Linwood .

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw169.html

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/bethany.htm

But you may be correct in saying that it is more of a personal choice . Very much of the local beliefs appear to be left up to the local Elders , with the Watchtower more or less being a guideline . { I know that I worded that poorly , my brain is about to explode after trying to explain Jung in another thread ... }

You`re right kreeden it is still a controversy but I think it`s reached a point where you don`t necessarily risk excommunication by choosing a transfusion over death.

Odd it should be an issue at all.

[precept]

Any posing as a "Witness of Jehovah" had better get their facts from Jehovah Himself: Or else! Jesus pronounces the eternal sentence " Whosoever therefore shall BREAK one of these least commandments, and shall TEACH MEN SO, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven...." as contrasted to "Whosoever shall DO and TEACH the least of the commandments of God, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.

The "Watchtower Witnesses" have changed and revised their representation of "what God says", so many times, that they automatically disqualifiy themselves from being the witnesses of a God who never changes anything He says...not today, yesterday, tomorrow or ever! "I Am The Lord! I Change Not"; says God!

Also; being called least in the kingdom of heaven is a condemnation enjoyed by all who BREAK the commandments of God. All who BREAK God's commandments are judged by the law as sinners. The scriptures teach that "the wages of sin is death".The bible also says "I had not known sin but by the law of God".
If one then BREAKS the law of God and does not repent he as a sinner is condemned to eternal death...and certainly one who BREAKS AND ALSO TEACHES others to BREAK God's commandments, would as a result be a TEACHER opposed to the oommandments of God and would be as condemned to eternal death as any sinner who BREAKS God's commandments without seeking forgiveness.



precept