Satan information misleading.. (Jesus Christ, priests, ritual, gospel, soul)

[oracle]

Originally Posted by No*s

While I cannot subscribe to the second paragraph, on account of my theology, but with your first paragraph, I'd be more than happy to use the fallen angels as an allegory to human pride, the Fall, and so on, and all at the same time hold to literal fallen angels.

Well of course, I mean what I said metaphorically was well as literal, you gotta have both to get a clear understanding, without discrimination of one or the other.

And of the second paragraph, I'm not sure if you understand what I meant, basically where we are at now, the suffering we go through, I use the anology of "birth pangs", as in a mother giving birth to a child. The pain we go through is necessary, and is a process of learning, and what is being given birth to is knowledge or awareness. "Satan" is the cause of much pain, a "defect" which I mean on metaphorical terms, a defect caused by ignorance of the soul (lack of knowledge and awareness). So, I compare this aspect of Satan, why we are here, why we suffer, etc; to a mother who is giving birth to a child and in the process, experiences the pangs of birth.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by oracle

And of the second paragraph, I'm not sure if you understand what I meant, basically where we are at now, the suffering we go through, I use the anology of "birth pangs", as in a mother giving birth to a child. The pain we go through is necessary, and is a process of learning, and what is being given birth to is knowledge or awareness. "Satan" is the cause of much pain.

That's kind of what I thought you meant. I'm of a very different persuasion: the suffering may be used as a lesson, but it's a direct result of corruption and imperfection. They are only birth pangs insofar as this world is dying, and the next one is coming. However, discussing that is a bit off-topic.

[SoulTYPE]

I don't really mind about off topic. Because if the "powers" of the satanic mind are destroying this world, will he not attempt to dismantle the next one?

[oracle]

Originally Posted by No*s

That's kind of what I thought you meant. I'm of a very different persuasion: the suffering may be used as a lesson, but it's a direct result of corruption and imperfection. They are only birth pangs insofar as this world is dying, and the next one is coming. However, discussing that is a bit off-topic.

But that ties into exactly what I mean, its just another aspect of looking at it.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by SoulTYPE01

I don't really mind about off topic. Because if the "powers" of the satanic mind are destroying this world, will he not attempt to dismantle the next one?

I can only speak here form a Christian perspective, but I doubt his impotence will be becoming for that goal.

When God appears, all creation will be inundated with Him, and every individual will experience Him in accordance with his own spiritual life. So, those who haven't been restored will experience Him in a manner that is, um, quite painful.

Not only that, but his power will be pretty much nullified at the same time (think of Morgoth in Tolkien's works as an analogy here).

[No*s]

Originally Posted by oracle

But that ties into exactly what I mean, its just another aspect of looking at it.

OK, then we emphasise two different parts of it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[SoulTYPE]

Originally Posted by No*s

So, those who haven't been restored will experience Him in a manner that is, um, quite painful.

Please continue...

[oracle]

Originally Posted by oracle

Adam and Eve is metaphor, and represents the masculine (projective) and feminine (receptive) parts of the Human psyche that were split into two. It was Eve who gave the "forbidden fruit" to Adam. Eve (Chavvah), means "life" and it represents the soul and is manifested into the heart, the receptive part of our psyche which consists of memories. Adam (Adam/Adamah) means "red earth", is PLURAL meaning mankind, and represents the mind which manifested into the physical body.

It is our souls, being ignorant and without knowledge, absorbed the ego and gave it to the mind. Resulting in Death, or rather spiritual death (spirituality is about connection), that we become disconnected with God, and the rest of each other (we are pieces of God), and thus be expelled from the Garden of Eden which is translated "enclosure of pleausure" which was planted eastward, this hebrew word is translated as "ancient, beginning" (as the sun rises in the east). This garden of Eden metaphorically represents the primordial state of creation that was without suffering, when mankind was in total union with God and each other.

Here is something else that may trip you out. Forgive me if this is off topic. Eve corresponds to the right side of the brain, and Adam the left. Some of you may believe this to be a weird concept, but it is difficult to fully understand what I am talking about unless if perhaps you study neurology or biological psychology.

Eve is the receptive part of the brain consisting of the "soul" memories, and the "heart" emotions. The right side of the brain mainly processes perceptual information from the five senses, and by using this information stores it, recognizes what is in the environment by using memory, and releases chemicals and hormones (emotions) according to what is being percieved. In other words, "temptation" and desire comes from the right side of the brain, and "gives the forbidden fruit to her husband" (the left side). Being born a child, the cortex is ignorant and has little memory to begin with. It is necassary for a child to learn right from wrong by eating the "forbidden fruit", which causes pain and death, the result of our actions.That is why it is called "the tree of knowledge of good and evil", or rather should it be called "the tree of cause and effect".

The receptive part of the brain is "feminine", it recieves information from the outside, consisting of the perceptual centers of the brain, and the emotional centers of both brain and body. The emotional centers consists of glands and control centers such as the hypothalamus and amygdala. The hypothalamus regulates hormones, while the amygdala subconsciously recognizes things that are hostile, it releasing chemicals that create things such as anger or fear. When it recognizes the opposite sex as being a potentional mate, it releases hormones that create lust. It also disrupts the control of rational thought. It is the seat of human sexuality and aggression.

Amygdala: 1. An almond-shaped neuro structure involved in producing and responding to nonverbal signs of anger, avoidance, defensiveness, and fear. 2. A small mass of gray matter that inspires aversive cues, such as the freeze reaction, sweaty palms, and the tense-mouth display. 3. A primeval arousal center, originating in early fishes, which is central to the expression of negative emotions in man. -- http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/amygdala.htm

Emotions are released based on perceptual information.That is why I say that the ego consists of three things,

Perceptual, Emotional, Cognitive
Self-deception, desire, ignorance.

Or rather 666! The ego is Satan, the antichrist. The image of the beast is animalistic nature, as opposed to the image of God, which is divine nature.
We are both animal and divine beings. That is why Satan, "is the God of this world" , because it is referring to the material, animalistic, physical aspect of our being and this world: The kingdom of the beast, the kingdom of the flesh, the lust of the flesh, the world, and many christians are lost in this world, forgeting their divine origin because they recieved the mark of the beast on their forehead (metaphorically it represents what I have been explaining, satan originates in the mind), and the right hand (representing curruption, or rather Egosim in disguise). And this has currupted the church, (destroying the temple of God). And the anti-christ has already claimed himself in the church with false doctrines that teach that it is okay to keep on sinning, and the result is that satan (egoism), resides in the church! (the third secret of Fatima...)

The three reasons why "Eve" ate the forbidden fruit: Because it was good for food, pleasing to the eye, desireable to make one wise.

heart, mind, soul
Physical, mental, spiritual.
Desire, self-deception, ignorance=666


These are also the three tempations Jesus faced in the wilderness!

Booyah!

[SoulTYPE]

Oracle, that was very helpful and I thank you. And nothing trips me out lol.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by SoulTYPE01

Please continue...

OK, here goes...

When God created the world, He created it good, and He created man in His image and likeness (But not perfect, as is evidenced by the subsequent events). He did something very similar with the angels. Satan, however, tried to hijak God's position. In so doing, he rebelled and fashioned his own dwelling (all this being figurative for a spiritual being).

Satan didn't limit his attacks to merely God, but he attacked all of creation, and sought to use it as his own power, and his own domain. Hence, Satan is the "god of this world," as Paul put it.

To continue the Tolkien analogy (it is imperfect, but still germaine), Illuvitar created Melkor and all the rest of the Ainur. Melkor, though, sought to change the song, so that he could usurp the place of Illuvitar. In the end, he failed, and subsequently attacked, and corrupted, the elves and some of the Maiar. In order to further extend his domain Melkor, now Morgoth, extended his essence into the world so that he could control it.

In the end, Morgoth made all of Arda his ring, something Sauron only dimly imitated. Morgoth was later destroyed, but Tolkien seemed to make clear that Morgoth would return one day for a climatic final battle. In the end, a new creation would emerge from this...one free from Morgoth's taint.

Here, I say I feel, and am not speaking for my Church. Satan did something similar in his rebellion. He sought control of all creation, and when God created humanity (for, I think, the purpose of countering this, but this is pure speculation...and that can be very hazerdous), he sought control of humanity as well: for we were material and spiritual, as opposed to his being merely material. He did so successfully, and in the process subjected the whole world to "futility," as Paul puts it.

God was now hidden from us, and we could no longer experience His full presence. Then, in order to protect humanity, expelled us from the Garden so that we couldn't eat from the Tree of Life. That Tree is Christ. If we had eaten of it without a reunion with God's nature, then we would have lived forever in a fallen state in God's presence: Hell.

So, God became man in order to enable us to experience the Divine again. Now, in the future, God will unveal Himself unto the whole creation, and in so doing, He will recreate it and free it completely from the taint of death and corruption. Satan will then be impotent, and his rebellion failed. I don't think he extended his essence into all creation, but his power will disappear, and he will be just another creature.

Hopefully that clears up my intent some. I didn't speak much of the term for "accuser," but this is the general gist of how I treat it, and from what I have learned, it is quite compatible with the Church's teachings. I apologize for the length, though.