Satan information misleading.. (Jesus Christ, priests, ritual, gospel, soul)

[SoulTYPE]

OMG I thought this thread was long dead. Oh well.

May, you just stated and explained everything I wished to know regarding this matter. Thankyou.

[may]

Originally Posted by SoulTYPE01

OMG I thought this thread was long dead. Oh well.

May, you just stated and explained everything I wished to know regarding this matter. Thankyou.

[Feathers in Hair]

I read an interesting book on angels wherein, although they don't go very much into the 'fallen' ones, a different viewpoint on Satan was offered. (I can find the name of the book and the era to which it was attributed, but my bookshelf is trying to hide my books in its' chaos.) In this one, God asked the angels to volunteer to be a temptor of humanity, one who would lead people astray so that God might then teach them the wisdom as they were being led back to the 'true' path. None of the angels wanted to volunteer, realizing it would mean separation from heaven, but Satan, alone among all of them, asked to do so, for his love of humanity was so great.

I thought it was a rather interesting variation on the tale. It was the version that was discussed, apparently, before the 'fallen' version came into being.

[Quoth The Raven]

I fail to see how they can reconcile the death of Jesus being a victory for Satan with Jesus having to die to cleanse us of our sins...One would think the two would be mutually exclusive.

[SoulTYPE]

The death of Jesus at the cross was not a victory for Satan, I agree there LL. Satan was not necessarily in those who tortured Jesus and crucified Him.

I think that is a desperate victory more than a proper one.

About Satan being a fallen angel, I do not believe that at all.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by may

This original opposer, or Satan (meaning "Resister"), was the one who used a serpent as a mouthpiece when speaking to Eve to induce her to disobey God. (Genesis 3:1-6) That is why he is also called "the original serpent." (Revelation 12:9) Jesus himself said of Satan: "That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him." (John 8:44; 1 John 3:8) Jesus thus identified Satan as one who once enjoyed God’s favor but who rebelled against Jehovah God.

I have to disagree with you may, what of the Kabbalistic writings that the serpent is, in fact, Adam's first wife, Lilith?

[SoulTYPE]

Originally Posted by jewscout

I have to disagree with you may, what of the Kabbalistic writings that the serpent is, in fact, Adam's first wife, Lilith?

I am basing my theories on the Genesis report.

[may]

Originally Posted by jewscout

I have to disagree with you may, what of the Kabbalistic writings that the serpent is, in fact, Adam's first wife, Lilith?

My belief is only based on the bible , as i believe that only the bible is the word of God

[SoulTYPE]

That's what I meant in my post btw. Great minds think alike.

[t3gah]

Originally Posted by may

Satan (meaning "resister") and Devil (meaning "slanderer").

This original opposer, or Satan (meaning "Resister"), was the one who used a serpent as a mouthpiece when speaking to Eve to induce her to disobey God. (Genesis 3:1-6) That is why he is also called "the original serpent." (Revelation 12:9) Jesus himself said of Satan: "That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him." (John 8:44; 1 John 3:8) Jesus thus identified Satan as one who once enjoyed God’s favor but who rebelled against Jehovah God.

He's right. The word/name/title "satan" does not appear in the scriptures in Genesis. And just because it says "serpent" in Revelation, a question need to be asked. How do we know that both are one and the same?

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

*** Rbi8 Genesis 3:1-7 ***
Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: "Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?" 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.'" 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: "YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad."

6 Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.

King James Version

REVELATION 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.