Lucifer the "fallen angel from heaven" (moral, Earth)

[Ðanisty]

Dopp, I edited your post. There was something wrong with the coding of the link and it was displaying the link to the English as a link on my browser. I'm not sure why, but I edited it to produce a link. I was about to think I was going insane. You kept saying to look at it but I wasn't seeing the link.

Where do you guys see a reference to an angel? Sometimes, I think I will just never understand how others read the Bible.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

Where do you guys see a reference to an angel? Sometimes, I think I will just never understand how others read the Bible.

Not an angel. "Lucifer" is translated from latin into English as "morning star." In 2 Peter, "lucifer" is a metaphor for . . . Jesus Christ . . .

[Booko]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Here it is in English (and in context). Who is "lucifer" a metaphor for in 2 Peter?

Indeed, and it is likely for that reason Baha'i Writings so often refer to the Messengers as "Daystars".

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Not an angel. "Lucifer" is translated from latin into English as "morning star." In 2 Peter, "lucifer" is a metaphor for . . . Jesus Christ . . .

Oh, I thought someone said something about an angel? Yes, when I read it, I thought it was about Christ as well. In fact, I figured this is why people refer to Christ as the morning star. I'm glad I was able to make that much sense of it...lol.

Incidentally, you won't find a whole lot of Luciferians against Jesus. In the discussions I've had, it seems to be pretty much accepted that Lucifer and Jesus have a good bit in common.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

Incidentally, you won't find a whole lot of Luciferians against Jesus. In the discussions I've had, it seems to be pretty much accepted that Lucifer and Jesus have a good bit in common.

Care to enlighten us on the similarities? You know I am intrigued by Luciferian thought and I would like to learn all I can.

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Care to enlighten us on the similarities? You know I am intrigued by Luciferian thought and I would like to learn all I can.

Both Lucifer and Jesus were interested in what is best for mankind. The biggest difference I see is who they thought could provide that. Lucifer thought mankind could decide for themselves what is best...Jesus was (in the Luciferian opinion) deluded into believing God should decide and where did that get him? (killed...) Regardless of the difference, both cared a great deal for humanity and did what was in their power for our benefit. Who was right and who was wrong is all really going to depend on who you ask. I think my opinion is obvious though.

[Jeremiah]

I can never follow Bible talk.

Here's a philosophical approach

“We live in the best of all possible worlds.” – Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646 – 1716)

Leibniz was a God fearing man. What he is saying is that seeing how God is all knowing that before he created the world, God considered every possible way the universe could exist and chose the best one.

The philosophy is that there is a reason behind everything. (half-way reasoning )

At least as I understand it at this point so far I have only done minor pondering on this one.

So based of that reasoning it would stand to reason that God created Satan for a reason and that seeing how God also created reason for a reason it stands to reason that a reason for Satan can be reasoned out.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

I think my opinion is obvious though.

Your title, "Lucifer's Disciple," is definately a clue.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

Both Lucifer and Jesus were interested in what is best for mankind. The biggest difference I see is who they thought could provide that. Lucifer thought mankind could decide for themselves what is best...Jesus was (in the Luciferian opinion) deluded into believing God should decide and where did that get him? (killed...) Regardless of the difference, both cared a great deal for humanity and did what was in their power for our benefit. Who was right and who was wrong is all really going to depend on who you ask. I think my opinion is obvious though.

Wait, unless I misunderstood this seems to exclude the Trinitarian mysteries. As if God and Jesus are different beings. Definately not trying to turn this thread into that topic (we have plenty on that already), but I just want to make sure what you mean.