Atheistic Logic (morals, punishment, hell, eternity, bible)

[Storm]

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Copout. The very reason for this thread was my consideration for atheistic positions that I find illogical.

How is it a copout? I'm trying to explain my position, and you're telling me you won't even think of it. That's how "That's too far-fetched for me to even consider" sounded to me, anyway.

ETA: If that's not what you meant, then please clarify so we can get on with it.

[worshiper]

Originally Posted by Zeno

So what is the definition of one who truly fears god? It seems awful convenient that you can just lump all rapists in murders into people who don't "truly" fear god. Is that how you define truly fearing god? Someone who is too afraid to rape and murder?

What about the people who murder in the name of god? Oh but they're just confused and misinterpreting him? Isn't that a dangerous idea to have around if it can be so easily misinterpreted? With the sheer volume of "misinterpretations," how can you be sure of your "god fearing person" definition?

hence why the word "truly" is there as oppose to "misinterpretations".

how can you be sure of your "god fearing person" definition?

how you wanna ask me how? well heres my answer but i dont expect you to understand... God wants us to treat each other with respect. because we are all after all his creation. god doesnt want us to kill each other. so what will a god fearing person will do, knowing the facts i mentioned?

[rojse]

How can you be so certain of what God wants us to do? How many people has God ordered to be killed in the Bible, anyway? How many cities did he order to be slaughtered?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by worshiper

how you wanna ask me how? well heres my answer but i dont expect you to understand... God wants us to treat each other with respect. because we are all after all his creation. god doesnt want us to kill each other. so what will a god fearing person will do, knowing the facts i mentioned?

Your facts are a little off.
Now if you were to say that God does not want us to kill each other unless he commands it...

[Panda]

Originally Posted by kmkemp

I have heard more than I care to an argument that goes along these lines:

God is sadistic so why should I worship Him? If he tortures people for eternity, then I would gladly choose hell rather than spend eternity with Him. There is no justice or love or mercy in an infinite punishment for a finite crime (sin).

I hope that was an adequate paraphrase. The line of arguments quickly develops into a mockery of Bible verses about God's unsearchable ways. My purpose is to ask a question. Why do you (if you dare to use the above arguments) dare to question God? Let's look at the situation another way. One of two things are true.

1. God exists.
2. God doesn't exist.

I hope it is obvious that if God doesn't exist, we need not make assumptions about what He would or would not do. It is a nonissue. He doesn't exist. That is all that needs to be said. You can't prove that He doesn't exist by telling what you think He would do if He did exist and showing why that that doesn't actually happen.

However, if God does exist, then how can you dare to question His decisions? Your very being is only because of Him.

Romans 9:20
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

If God exists and He created you, then your logic and mind is only a result of His higher mind designing you thus. The key word there is 'higher'. If God exists, then His ways are surely better than ours. After all, we are still incapable of creating anything. An atheist would do much better to not dabble in philosophical nonsense such as this, in my opinion.

This is just the old argument about how belief in God is better that not believing as even if there is no God it won't effect your life. Have you ever heard of the atheist wager? Well here is is.
It is a rebuttal of Pascals wager, which is what you are using though you may not know it.

[Zeno]

Originally Posted by worshiper

hence why the word "truly" is there as oppose to "misinterpretations".


how you wanna ask me how? well heres my answer but i dont expect you to understand... God wants us to treat each other with respect. because we are all after all his creation. god doesnt want us to kill each other. so what will a god fearing person will do, knowing the facts i mentioned?

How do you know that God wants us to treat each other with respect?

Even if you do suppose that as a fact, that still doesn't tell you if murder can be justified. What if someone is suffering unbearably? What if someone is threatening your family?

It's all just conveniently applied word usage. There are plenty of people who live their lives with a healthy dose of "god-fearing" that have killed hundreds of people.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by worshiper

hence why the word "truly" is there as oppose to "misinterpretations".


how you wanna ask me how? well heres my answer but i dont expect you to understand... God wants us to treat each other with respect. because we are all after all his creation. god doesnt want us to kill each other. so what will a god fearing person will do, knowing the facts i mentioned?

I'll say this a third time, you have no idea what God's wishes are.

[worshiper]

Originally Posted by rojse
How can you be so certain of what God wants us to do? How many people has God ordered to be killed in the Bible, anyway? How many cities did he order to be slaughtered?

here's the thing guys ....
dont narrow your minds with god as in the one in the bible. there are other beliefs of god that is NOT IN THE BIBLE. you guys are generalizing.

my belief says you are not to harm others unless its an act of self defense. same goes with defending your families. now tell me if that is not a justified act.

Originally Posted by Prometheus
I'll say this a third time, you have no idea what God's wishes are.

and you sir have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Zeno
It's all just conveniently applied word usage. There are plenty of people who live their lives with a healthy dose of "god-fearing" that have killed hundreds of people.

there is a reason why i put the word "misinterpretation" in bold.

[Mestemia]

I cannot help but wonder just how many different "One True" Gods the Bible has produced...