Holy books (Buddhism, beliefs, theist, dogma, bible)

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by shytot

Trinity...this what you wrote:
Someone has done a perfect job on you

You are right, God did a perfect job on me, thanks for noticing. He did a perfect job on you too, you will recognize this when your heart is open.

you are well and truly captured.
I heard a radio talk show guest say that people who commit crimes should not be punished on
earth, because god will be their judge when they die!!!!!

God judges a persons soul, we judge their actions based on God's natural law

was that you?

Nope

I find it all very sad when people put themselves in second place, and just spout what they have been
programmed to say, if I said, the fairies at the bottom of the garden told me that 'this'

are you talking about fairies, nymphs, elfs, leprachans... you need to be more specific.

and 'that' was true, you would laugh out load, well unfortunately that is how you sound to me.

You and me both, it is very sad when ones heart has become so hard, that it is difficult for even God to penetrate it. I will pray for you.

[shytot]

Yes you pray for me, (if it makes you feel better) because my heart and my brain are, as you say 'closed', I just 'listen' to fairy tales, I don't 'believe' them.
Just as a matter of interest, do you think Jesus was a 'man' or a 'God' ? (and please don't say both)
if he was a man like me, he had no 'powers', if he was a 'God' then he knew what was coming.
and if we are all made in God's image, does that mean God needs to eat, and sleep,
or was that part not really supposed to be believed.
I can not believe I am writing this, it's like arguing with a child.

[Green Gaia]

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[jewscout]

Originally Posted by shytot

Yes you pray for me, (if it makes you feel better) because my heart and my brain are, as you say 'closed', I just 'listen' to fairy tales, I don't 'believe' them.
Just as a matter of interest, do you think Jesus was a 'man' or a 'God' ? (and please don't say both)
if he was a man like me, he had no 'powers', if he was a 'God' then he knew what was coming.
and if we are all made in God's image, does that mean God needs to eat, and sleep,
or was that part not really supposed to be believed.
I can not believe I am writing this, it's like arguing with a child.

Sir, the feeling is mutual! I feel sorry for you. You are what you dislike, a man on a soupbox preaching only your thumping the perverbial "atheist" bible.
I have no problem with you if your an atheist and don't believe that's your prerogative but don't go trying to prosyletizing, and don't tell me your not simply because your an atheist, you are! You don't see anyone trying to save you here do you???
I'd write a few more thoughts on this matter but i'd get in trouble so i'll simply ask you to try again and this time have an open mind.
Besides your posts show your lack of knowledge on most religions beyond evangelical christianity.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Maize

This is a reminder to all that: 1) We respect all religions and ideas here, and ...

If that includes antisemitism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, or a plethora of other ideas founded upon unmitigated ignorance, count me out. There is a fairly large list of ideas which I do not respect and which, I would argue, do not warrant respect.

[shytot]

I am very sorry if I offended anyone, I can assure you, that was not my intention, but I must admit it is a little frustrating when people insist on denying something that to my mind is such an easy thing to understand, which is, your born, you live, you die, just like all the other animals,
I know we have a little more intellect (or should I say imagination) than other animals,
but that is no reason to get carried away, and believe our imaginings are real,
that because we can imagine a God somehow makes him or her real.
And Maize I am not angry at Christianity, or any other religion, if I am angry at anything,
it is the way we can not accept the way things are, and people are afraid to die, so religion was invented.
I'm not afraid to die,(how can I be afraid of nothing), I don't want to die, but I am going to die, there is nothing I can do about that, but I will not be party to a lie, and that in truth is how I see religion.
I think everyone deals with their impending death in their own way, and religion is as good a way as any,
so I should shut up and let people live their lives, up until now it was a case of live and let live,
but religion has reared it's head with the Muslims telling the world to converts to their religion or else,
so from being none of my business what you believe, it has suddenly become my business,
so where do we go from here?

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by shytot

I am very sorry if I offended anyone, I can assure you, that was not my intention, but I must admit it is a little frustrating when people insist on denying something that to my mind is such an easy thing to understand, which is, your born, you live, you die, just like all the other animals

I find your lack of knowledge frustrating shytot. Your original post that opened this thread is evident of that:

Originally Posted by shytot

A holy book is a list of rules designed to keep people in line.

Maybe some but not all. The Tanach, while having the Laws the Jewish people follow is also a collection of our collected history and beliefs. No i don't believe every sentence word for word but it has been shown that many of the stories are based on actual occurences in the past.

Originally Posted by shytot

so if everyone around you is following the rules, keep your mouth shut, or they will kick
you out of the group, as a non-believer

Under these guidelines most jews should then kick Jesus and his apostles out of the the group, yet he is still considered as much a Jew as anyone else. He is not an outcast, rather the messenger who brought the word of the One G-d to the Gentiles.

I think you should try researching other religions beyond christianity and Islam before making such a wide ranging assumption.
BTW:

Originally Posted by shytot

but religion has reared it's head with the Muslims telling the world to converts to their religion or else,

So has Christianity for countless generations. They are both proselytizing religions it's sorta what they do.

[shytot]

Again I don't wish to offend, but asking me to 'research other religions beyond christianity and Islam' is a little silly, I don't believe in any religion, it's like me asking you to 'find out what Santa's reindeers like to eat', totally meaningless, unless you believe in Santa.
I think ALL religions are the same, like languages,they come from different parts of the world, and like languages, they sound and are written differently, but they all do the same thing in the end, and you know what that is.
And the most important thing of all is that MY religion is the TRUE religion, I have been blessed
by being born in the right place to the right parents, had I been born in Salt Lake city, I could have been raised a Morman, or South America, a Catholic, or Iraq, a Muslim, I was certainly fortunate to be born a ???
Whatever I say I will be classed as an outsider, if you are unfortunate enough not to have been brought up in a religion, ( I think I was lucky) and just can not get your head around one, or find one that suits you, you are somehow seen as missing something,
To believe in a God for me, is as silly as me asking you to believe in the man in the moon, it is completely irrational, can anyone understand where I am coming from?
I do not need a God, a whole lot of people could'nt handle that, but to me, it makes perfect sense, when I die, I'm gone.

[Engyo]

Shytot -

No offense taken. I disagree with your conclusion that all religions are the same and have the same end result, but my experience has been vastly different from yours, so that is probably to be expected.

[shytot]

Engyo, is being a Buddist the answer? I expect it is for you.
for you, being a Buddist is the only way to go.