Why Saved By Jesus (Messiah, gospel, incarnation, Jehovah, creation)

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Booko

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

And it is the opinion of many others that you need to understand that "allah" is just the Arabic word for God, and they certainly are the same thing.

btw, God made a promise to Abraham. If you think that doesn't extend to any of the children of Hagar, I'd ask you to prove that from Biblical texts.

When the koran is translated into other languages than arabic what do they call god then?

[*Paul*]

French:
[1] Au nom d'Allah, le Tout Miséricordieux, le Très Miséricordieux.

French word for God = un dieu

Dutch:
In naam van Allah, de Barmhartige, de Genadevolle.

Dutch word for God = God

German:
[1] Im Namen Allahs, des Allerbarmers, des Barmherzigen!

German word for God = Gott

Italian:
1 In nome di Allah , il Compassionevole, il Misericordioso

Italian word for God = Dio

If they are translating a simple generic arabic word for god into another language then why transliterate the word allah? It is because they mean someone specific, it his name, not god but THE god.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

When the koran is translated into other languages than arabic what do they call god then?

When Arabic-speaking Christians pray to God, what word do they use, Paul?

Are Arabic-speaking Christians praying to a different God than you?

Or is your God-concept more favored simply because it has its linguistic roots in Germanic languages, none of which Christ or any of the prophets used in Biblical texts?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

French:
[1] Au nom d'Allah, le Tout Miséricordieux, le Très Miséricordieux.

French word for God = un dieu

Dutch:
In naam van Allah, de Barmhartige, de Genadevolle.

Dutch word for God = God

German:
[1] Im Namen Allahs, des Allerbarmers, des Barmherzigen!

German word for God = Gott

Italian:
1 In nome di Allah , il Compassionevole, il Misericordioso

Italian word for God = Dio

If they are translating a simple generic arabic word for god into another language then why transliterate the word allah? It is because they mean someone specific, it his name, not god but THE god.

Get thee to a library!

IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God. Praise belongs to God, the Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the compassionate, the ruler of the day of judgment! Thee we serve and Thee we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path, the path of those Thou art gracious to; not of those Thou art wroth with; nor of those who err.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 1 - The Opening)

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds!

King on the day of reckoning!

Thee only do we worship, and to Thee do we cry for help.

Guide Thou us on the straight path,

The path of those to whom Thou hast been gracious; - with whom thou art
not angry, and who go not astray.

Rodwell translation

If this is your "argument" for the idea that Allah doesn't mean God, I just say it's about as ill-researched a one as I've seen in 20 years online.

It doesn't even qualify as spurious -- specious is the best it can manage.

[UnityNow101]

I have an english version of the Qu'ran in which the word God is used..But it doesn't matter though. In Arabic, the title for God IS Allah. People often forget that Jesus spoke a semetic language and He called God Eloi, which sounds an awful lot like Allah. Have you ever watched the Passion of the Christ? Don't get yourself caught up in the different languages. They all refer to the God of Abraham.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by UnityNow101

I have an english version of the Qu'ran in which the word God is used..But it doesn't matter though. In Arabic, the title for God IS Allah. People often forget that Jesus spoke a semetic language and He called God Eloi, which sounds an awful lot like Allah. Have you ever watched the Passion of the Christ? Don't get yourself caught up in the different languages. They all refer to the God of Abraham.

It's quite obvious from the Qu'ran's accounts of stories also found in the Bible (Hebrew or Christian) that it's referring to the same God the Bible is.

At least, one might think that Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jesus, Mary, among others, would be referring to Biblical figures.

At least, I never heard of any rumours that Abraham was worshipping some "other" God.

I wonder if the translations *Paul* presented were based off the Yusuf Ali translation. It doesn't translate "Allah" into God, and that would account for much if so. Unfortunately, he doesn't cite any information on which translation he's working from.

Of course it's also possible it was cut and pasted from an anti-Islam source. That's a common enough modus operandi.

[blueman]

Originally Posted by sojourner

That's a popular theological stance, but, obviously, one whtat I do not share.

If a person was separated from his father at birth, and did not know the father, he would still have a father. Nothing can change that basic relationship, even if the child embraced another father figure. God is our Father, whether we know it or not, whether we like it or not.

We preach that we are reconciled through Christ, and that Christ came so that all humanity might have abundant life. Christ is the "way, truth, and life" because Christ has reconciled us to God. There is no other way to God, except through God's own reconciliation, which God effected in the person of Jesus. Those of us who realize that believe and call ourselves "Christian," and we endeavor to live our lives as children of God, setting the example for others to follow.

But that does not change the fact that we must be reconciled with God through His only begotten Son and there is no other source of restoration because of sin, but Christ.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by rocka21

if he missed it in just one of those points,Then we can take the words he said, and throw them out ,but if he succeeded in all points, no sin, death on the cross, resurrection and ascension,Then he must be the son of God, and all that he said is true. Right before his ascension,He said these words , go ye to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He then believeth and is baptized shall be saved, and he that believeth not shall be damned.

Pretending Jesus really did do all of those things, it does not necessarily follow that Jeus Christ is right. Our moderator Danisty believes in God and Jesus Christ, yet she believes God to be evil and Jesus to be too blindly trusting of God (I think, I can't be sure). If I believed in your God and your Christ, I too would call God evil. Ergo, I do not believe Him to be righteous or have any truth in Him.

[blueman]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Pretending Jesus really did do all of those things, it does not necessarily follow that Jeus Christ is right. Our moderator Danisty believes in God and Jesus Christ, yet she believes God to be evil and Jesus to be too blindly trusting of God (I think, I can't be sure). If I believed in your God and your Christ, I too would call God evil. Ergo, I do not believe Him to be righteous or have any truth in Him.

That certainly is well within your right to believe the way you do, but God and evil are so directly in contrast with one another, it's not even plausible. Because He is the creator and sustainer of the Universe, and is the Almighty and Sovereign Lord, He is ruler and judge of this world and is Merciful, Just, Eternal, Loving, All Powerful, All Knowing, Longsuffering, Omnipresent, Graceful and Faithful. Evil is not one of the attributes associated with God.