Do you think all religions lead to God? (experience, God)

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

What do you mean the bible is clear on that much? Elaborate

You know as well as I do Jesus is the only way to the Father.

[JayHawes]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

You know as well as I do Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Well i had no idea you agreed with the Bible oin that account. ....but we are in agreement.

Scripture covers the concept concerning the question, is there mre than one God.

Mr 12:32And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:



And again. I want to make clear that Allah is not Yahweh, their characters and being are so contradictory. I qoute: "that claim that "Christians and Muslims worship the same God if not false, then certainly simplistic and one-sided."

It all goes back to Abraham. Either as Jews record, Abraham was the father of the Jewish nation (and though his faith is never mentioned) he was most likely jewish in his religious nature, or either as the Muslims say, Abraham was the first Muslim (of course this is a lie- Islam didn't exist until around 600 A.D.) Either Muslims or Jews are telling the truth....which?

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

Well i had no idea you agreed with the Bible oin that account. ....but we are in agreement.

I don't agree with the Bible. I only know what it says.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Lilithu

I don't really see how that is functionally different from what I suggested.

I took your suggestion that we could go to some location where the breeze is more likely than others to imply that we could leave the "house" in the metaphor. But, in Krishnamurti's metaphor, the "house" cannot be left. All that can be done to feel the breeze is either open the windows or leave the windows open. One cannot travel outside the house.

I asked what if there are some locations where a breeze is more likely than others? I don't think that any religion can guarantee that it will produce a breeze. But some may take you to a place where the probability of experiencing a breeze is greater when practiced. And some may take you to a place where the probability less when practiced. Either way, a religion could not guarantee experience of God. Nor would any preclude it. Yet, it still would be the case that some religions are better than others (assuming that one wants the breeze). And it still would be the case that practicing the "right" religion would be "statistically" preferable to not practicing any at all.

Why not just point out that some religions do a better job at either opening the windows or leaving the windows open? Or that other religions might actually close the windows, in part or entirely. Saying something along those lines conveys the same point your making --- but without over extending the metaphor.

Having said that, I would still take issue -- no matter what metaphor you use to describe it -- with the notion that practicing the "right" religion is statistically preferable to not practicing any at all. Neither you nor I know that to be the case. Your speculating.

[Azakel]

Yes I believe that all religions can lead to God(what ever he truly be), but I believe that all the other "Gods" are like Kami(Japanese for Spirit, God, and other types of beings like that). They are here to help use. The word God is just a title that we give this beings that are high then use, nothing more. We humans nothing.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

I took your suggestion that we could go to some location where the breeze is more likely than others to imply that we could leave the "house" in the metaphor. But, in Krishnamurti's metaphor, the "house" cannot be left. All that can be done to feel the breeze is either open the windows or leave the windows open. One cannot travel outside the house.



Why not just point out that some religions do a better job at either opening the windows or leaving the windows open? Or that other religions might actually close the windows, in part or entirely. Saying something along those lines conveys the same point your making --- but without over extending the metaphor.

If you are that attached to the metaphor, so we'll talk about opening windows. I don't really care whether the house stays or goes. I sincerely fail to see the significance of the distinction.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Having said that, I would still take issue -- no matter what metaphor you use to describe it -- with the notion that practicing the "right" religion is statistically preferable to not practicing any at all. Neither you nor I know that to be the case. Your speculating.

Umm.... so are you. So is Krishnamurti.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by lilithu

If you are that attached to the metaphor, so we'll talk about opening windows. I don't really care whether the house stays or goes. I sincerely fail to see the significance of the distinction.

What do you think the house symbolizes?

Umm.... so are you. So is Krishnamurti.

I don't know about Krishnamurti, but I am merely saying the jury is still out on whether any religion is significantly better in these respects than no religion. If you call that "speculation", so be it. But it's not what I would call speculation.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

What do you think the house symbolizes?

A barrier to the breeze.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

I don't know about Krishnamurti, but I am merely saying the jury is still out on whether any religion is significantly better in these respects than no religion. If you call that "speculation", so be it. But it's not what I would call speculation.

I didn't really say that. I said that it could be that for some people, practicing a religion is better. And for some, they would be better off without religion.

[edit: Sorry, I just went back and reread what I typed. I should have said that I didn't really mean to say that. In my third paragraph I state that for some it would help; and for some it would hinder.

Are we talking about organized religion here or is any type of disciplined spiritual practice considered a religion?]

Yeah, I'm speculating, but I don't see how that's more speculative than saying that religion is pointless, which is what the metaphor implies to me. Maybe you think that "the jury is still out" and we can't conclude either way, but to my mind, the metaphor that you gave us suggests that the breeze just happens and there is nothing that we can do to make it more or less likely. That sounds like a speculative conclusion to me.