Jesus - a sinner? (translation, blood, hell, sinned, God)

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

I dunno, most of the girls I know are pretty evil scandalous individuals. They are able to get me to spend lots of money, on stupid pointless things. And I can't stop myself. Evil!!! They are evil!!!! hahaha... But yes, for the most part, I agree with you. But to admit he was born from a woman, admits he was born of the flesh.

I don't consider girls evil unless I know them. That constitutes a pre-judgement in my book and Jesus says thats a no-no. your post got me thinking. If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?

[Master Vigil]

"If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?"

Indeed it would.

[Ronald]

I suppose some of you will say you are born of the spirit also, "Born Anew" "born again" "Born from Above!"
Are you spirit or flesh?
You are most assuredlly flesh!
Yeshua was born of Woman, Born flesh, died flesh, resurrected SPIRIT, as will each one who believe in the creator Y H V H, at resurrection, born Anew, from above by the power of Y H V H.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

"If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?"

Indeed it would.

And the flesh brought sin!

Bob

[WitnessofJah]

Prior to Jesus’ conception, the angel Gabriel told Mary: "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Evidently, God’s holy spirit caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, transferring the life of God’s firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. The holy spirit no doubt saw to it that this Son’s perfect male life force canceled out any Adamic imperfection in Mary’s ovum, while retaining certain genetic traits. Likely, Jesus resembled Mary.


You have to remember that Jesus did not have an earthly father, only an earthly mother, therefore he was 50% perfect at worst. However, since a perfect life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose.

Ask yourself this question: If god, the person who created the universe, is able to fertilize Mary through Holy Spirit without a physical father, do you think he is uncapable of overcoming the tiny hurdle of Jesus being without sin?

[SoulTYPE]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

Jesus was born as a human but he does not have original sin because he was born of the holy spirit and not of the flesh

Yet it still may have been "difficult" for Mary if he hadve NOT been born as a human.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by WitnessofJah

Prior to Jesus’ conception, the angel Gabriel told Mary: "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Evidently, God’s holy spirit caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, transferring the life of God’s firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. The holy spirit no doubt saw to it that this Son’s perfect male life force canceled out any Adamic imperfection in Mary’s ovum, while retaining certain genetic traits. Likely, Jesus resembled Mary.


You have to remember that Jesus did not have an earthly father, only an earthly mother, therefore he was 50% perfect at worst. However, since a perfect life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose.

Ask yourself this question: If god, the person who created the universe, is able to fertilize Mary through Holy Spirit without a physical father, do you think he is uncapable of overcoming the tiny hurdle of Jesus being without sin?

That seems to be a vote for Jesus was not human.

[SoulTYPE]

Originally Posted by chuck010342

I don't consider girls evil unless I know them. That constitutes a pre-judgement in my book and Jesus says thats a no-no. your post got me thinking. If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?

God created man and women to love, whilst Satan attempts to use them as his succubus.

Cos I am the Game.

[WitnessofJah]

Originally Posted by pah

That seems to be a vote for Jesus was not human.

Jesus was most certainly human, and at the same time a perfect individual. Even though he was obviously not human before he came to earth, his life-force was transfered from the spirit realm (heaven) to Mary's womb so that he could become a human. John 1:14 says that "the Word became flesh and resided among us." For that reason he could call himself "the Son of man."(John 1:51)

Ask yourself this question: If Jesus was not human, why would he need to be born, eat, drink, become an adult, cry tears, feel physical pain, and die a death? An angelic individual would never need to do these things, so why would he?

[chuck010342]

Originally Posted by pah

And the flesh brought sin!

Bob

not in this case