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Old 06-24-2007, 02:10 AM
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Yeah, I figured you were thinking in terms of past European history...

Just had to add that in case you thought any different of us...
I understand.



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I've also seen the light show in the plaza, but not the Christmas one..

Here it is, just looking at this now...


Complete light show at Grand Place - Brussels, Belgium
Cool. I only visit Brussels a couple times a year, so I don't get a chance to "tourist" my way through the city.

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Old 06-24-2007, 07:36 AM
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If you believe that the true Church was at one time lost,
Who says the "true Church" was ever even found?
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:54 AM
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so what is a church ?
The Greek word ek·kle·si´a, which is translated "church" or "congregation" in the Bible, literally means "that which is called out." It refers to a group of persons called out from among others for a particular purpose; but it is used as the equivalent of the Hebrew word qahal´, meaning "congregation" or "assembly."
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:22 AM
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yes, I was talking about those guys who hung out with Jesus. Mathew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul... but what about the others?

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Jesus did not found a church but Paul did.

And Joseph Smith.

And so did Charles Taze Russell.
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Jesus told Peter, "And upon this rock I will build my Church." Unless He didn't do what I said He was going to do, He did in fact establish His Church.
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Jesus told Peter, "And upon this rock I will build my Church." Unless He didn't do what I said He was going to do, He did in fact establish His Church.
Or unless that was just part of a story written after there already was something calling itself the Church.
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Jesus told Peter, "And upon this rock I will build my Church." Unless He didn't do what I said He was going to do, He did in fact establish His Church.
But what was built upon that rock? Nothing that Jesus built and nothing that Paul, Joseph Smith, or Charles Russell built.

Did Jesus also say "My church will fight other church's, molest children, discriminate against women, promote hatred, promote the idea of an angry and jealous God, judge others, and fight against free will?"


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Tabernacle of the congregation/Temple of the Congregation/ Dem Moed is not an equal to Church, Assembly(Called out group) is an equal to ekklhsia/church.
The church building is for the congregation/gathering of the assembly/ekklhsia.
The Messiah's church was called the Way. After the statement "I am the way, the truth and the light."

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