Baha'i views on Salvation (Jesus, Kingdom, reincarnation, followers, grace)

[JayHawes]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I'm not going to discuss Islam here, Joe.

I do believe that God and Allah are ONE, since there is only ONE God.
Since there is only ONE God, that ONE God sent all the Prophets.

Regards,
Scott

Go ahead and discuss it, I dont mind.

P.S. - I also believe that satan sends and decieves "prophets"

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

t, but they deny his sonship, his diety, and his atonement for sins. .

Please cite sources where we deny His sonship, His absolute deity and His atoning sacrifice for our sins. Again you are making false statements without anything to back it up. Misrepresenting does not befit you.

[Katzpur]

Mormons do uphold the virgin birth of Christ

True.

but they deny his sonship,

False.

his diety,

False

and his atonement for sins.

False

[JayHawes]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

Please cite sources where we deny His sonship, His absolute deity and His atoning sacrifice for our sins. Again you are making false statements without anything to back it up. Misrepresenting does not befit you.

I am sorry. I was mistakenly referring to the Muslims.
I meant to type Muslims not Mormons, sorry about that.

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

I am sorry. I was mistakenly referring to the Muslims.

You can edit your posts to show what you actually meant.

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

My personal definition of salvation is knowing and endeavoring to follow God's purpose for us.

And the Baha'i Faith teaches that our purpose in this life is twofold:

1. As individuals, to acquire the spiritual virtues we'll need both here and in the Next Life, and
2. In aggregate, to carry forward an ever-advancing, spiritually-based cilvilization.

And the purpose of religion is to show us HOW to go about this!

And as Scott said, no, Baha'is don't believe in reincarnation. The Baha'i scriptures not only make this quite clear, but discuss in depth why not (quote upon request).

Joe, you're distorting what the Qur'an says. Muhammad DID NOT call Jesus an impostor, and the Baha'i scriptures do a very good job of explaining how both the Bible and the Qur'an express the same single truth while viewing different aspects of it. So again, I refer you to them.

Son of God is one of Jesus' titles, not a physical relationship.

You can find the Baha'i scriptures at:

• www.bahai-library.org (click "Writings" for our scriptures,
• www.reference.bahai.org (this site is binlingual), and
• www.bahaistudy.org (this site also has videos and talking books).

Both of the topics raised above are explained and addressed in Some Answered Questions, by 'Abdu'l-Baha, and can be read at these sites.

Peace, :-)

Bruce

[arthra]

I think the Baha'i view of salvation is both personal and social... It is personal when we recognize that in our belief Christ has returned and the prophecies were fulfilled and it is social in that Jesus revealed in the "Lord's Prayer" that His Kingdom would appear on earth as it is in heaven.

Baha'is accept that Jesus was martyred and sacrificed for the Cause of God and Christianity prevailed after this Sacrifice as we know and the blood of martyrs in the succeeding years further established the new religion over the pagan beliefs...

The whole creation wept when Jesus was sacrificed as Baha'u'llah revealed:

Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole of Creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent spirit . . . He it is who purified the world. Blessed the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him. (Gleanings 86)

[lew0049]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I'm not going to discuss Islam here, Joe.

I do believe that God and Allah are ONE, since there is only ONE God.
Since there is only ONE God, that ONE God sent all the Prophets.

Regards,
Scott

Scott, I know we have discussed this in other threads, but I am just wondering how it is possible for the Baha faith to recognize Mohammad and Jesus as prophets since there messages have som aspects that are very conflicting. For example, Jesus in the NT talks about having a personal relationship with God in heaven; however, this is in direct contrast with the the non-personal relationship with Allah in Islam.
Of course Islam and Christianity have many similiar things, nevertheless, viewing them as giving the message to mankind seems slightly absurd (No offense). Just curious.

PS - still working on the Bible info from yesterday...busy

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by lew0049