If God Loves Us All... (Jesus, moral, salvation, reincarnation)

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by Paraprakrti

Of course, God loves us all unconditionally. The profound thing about that "unconditionally" is the fact that we, as spirit-souls, are constitutionally unconditioned. God loves us, as we are. The problem lies in that we identify that we are something else. In other words, although God loves as we are, we don't know who we are. We suffer due to ignorance. God is just letting us remain in the conceptions we identify with. Man proposes, God disposes. Self realization is realizing that we have no business but to seek to live in our relationship with God. We suffer whenever we are not doing this. We send ourselves to hell. God loves us enough to give us that liberty.

VERY GOOD!
Y H V H is Just and must declare a JUSTICE!

[cardero]

Parapraktri, interesting post. I think as humans, some people see themselves lower than GOD instead of equal. When people pray or talk to GOD a common perspective is to look up instead of beside. I am beginning to believe that some people do not think that they are deserving of GOD's LOVE.

[Watcher]

Originally Posted by carrdero

I am beginning to believe that some people do not think that they are deserving of GOD's LOVE.

Well no wonder some people think that! I have heard many differnt pastors say exactly that! That we don't deserve god's love and we should all rot it hell, but he's going to give us a chance anyway.
How come Christians don't believe in reincarnation? Don't any of you think that maybe God would give us a few lives to get the whole living, caring, loving thing down so we don't have to go to hell? Just a thought....

[Mister Emu]

What? That doesn't sound like love at all to me! Someday if I have kids, I'm not going to let them play in the street because that's "their liberty". No, I am going to give them guidance as a parent should and make them play within the safety of the yard.

If you have kids are you never going to let them go to a friends house by themselves, are you always going to stand right by your child to make sure he/she does nothing you don't like? If you read the OT the Lord WAS there making sure that we didn't "play in the street" as it were. Now He has let us make descisions, He has said ok goto your friend's house, but don't run into the street. If we run into the street it is our own descision and He lets us make it, just like when/if you let your child leave your vision you are giving him/her that same descision.

Parapraktri, interesting post. I think as humans, some people see themselves lower than GOD instead of equal. When people pray or talk to GOD a common perspective is to look up instead of beside. I am beginning to believe that some people do not think that they are deserving of GOD's LOVE.

I am not the equal of the Lord, thinking that he was, was what got Lucifer thrown out. Also, I do not. Also, I do not believe I am deserving of the Lord's love any more than a man who continually cheats on and beats his wife is deserving of her love.

[cardero]

Mister Emu writes: I am not the equal of the Lord, thinking that he was, was what got Lucifer thrown out.

The only differences between GOD and I are the moments we existed (and the UNDERSTANDING that comes with it), our personal PURPOSES/agendas and our individual locations.

Mister Emu writes: I do not believe I am deserving of the Lord's love any more than a man who continually cheats on and beats his wife is deserving of her love.

I do not believe that I am deserving of GOD’s love any more than a man who continually cheats on and beats his wife is deserving of her love but I also believe I am not deserving of any less of GOD's LOVE either.

[Rozs]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo, que ha dado á su Hijo unigénito, para que todo aquel que en él cree, no se pierda, mas tenga vida eterna
John 3:16

Sapagkat gayon na lamang ang pag - ibig ng Diyos sa sanlibutan na ibinigay niya ang kanyang tanging Anak, upang ang sinumang sa kanya'y sumampalataya ay huwag mapahamak kundi magkaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan.
Juan 3:16

Porque Deus amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha a vida eterna.
John 3:16

[SoulTYPE]

Originally Posted by Rozs

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Exactly. The first six words explain. When we die, we are not of this world anymore.
God seds us to hell as a "punishment" to those who do not believe in Him, or follow His ways.

[Paraprakrti]

Originally Posted by Ceridwen018

What? That doesn't sound like love at all to me! Someday if I have kids, I'm not going to let them play in the street because that's "their liberty". No, I am going to give them guidance as a parent should and make them play within the safety of the yard.

No, God prescribes that you "play within the safety of the yard", but He does not force it. Your contradiction will be that on one hand you want to be free, but on the other hand you want God to keep you in the yard. God is welcoming you to the yard but you aren't accepting. Actually, you will be more free inside the yard than otherwise. The problem is people generally want to be the proprietors and enjoyers of all they survey. They want to take with no regard to God. But by accepting the reactions of our actions we remain in them, perpetually, until we choose to surrender to God. In that way we give up the fruitive results of our actions.

Originally Posted by Ceridwen018

If god loved us, he would take care of us instead of throwing us in the lions pit and watching to see how we fend for ourselves. He gives us tools like ignorance, doubt, hate, and an inability to find self-realization, and then sips his lemonade as he watches us all fight to the death!

Being in the lion's pit is our desire. God isn't concerned with how we fend for ourselves. Actually, God would rather have us turn to Him rather than think that we can fend for ourselves. But God does not force this on anyone. If you do not like the situation then you should seek God. God allows us to be ignorant, doubtful and hateful, but He isn't responsible for our afflictions. We've been playing this material game for God knows how long. We have been up and down continuously and have little to show for it. Eventually we do realize self, then we start our trip back to God. The bottomline is, God cannot be held responsible for our poor decisions. If you are angry at God then you go become your own God. Actually, that you have already tried and are still trying to do. If we hadn't made the decision that caused us to be here, we wouldn't be prone to death in the first place. So we can point the finger of blame at ourselves.

[Paraprakrti]

Originally Posted by carrdero

Parapraktri, interesting post. I think as humans, some people see themselves lower than GOD instead of equal. When people pray or talk to GOD a common perspective is to look up instead of beside. I am beginning to believe that some people do not think that they are deserving of GOD's LOVE.

It is good that we always understand ourselves to be subordinate to God. The sense of equality with God in the form of friendship is given to us out of love. If we develop a sense of ego to think that we are truly equal to God due to His love then we are fools. We are always dependent on God, but there are different transcendental stages of our relationship with Him. A few people are Christian here so I will give such an example: Jesus told His disciples that they were all his friends. He even washed their feet. Now, from an outside perspective it might appear that Jesus has taken the subordinate position in doing this, but the fact is that this is a transcendental relationship God has with His devotees. Another example in what I follow is that Krsna drives Arjuna's chariot. This may make Krsna appear as the servant of Arjuna, but we should understand that God serves those who serve and are devoted to Him. Also, the notion that one is undeserving of God's love is a transcendental emotion. We should respect people who, out of such thoughts, seek only to be closer and closer to God.

[SoulTYPE]

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