Utopia, is there such a thing? (Jesus, ritual, evolve, spiritual)

[ErikaLee]

*shakes her head sadly*

Silly non-listening Females.

I wasn't talking about you, I was agreeing with you!

EL

[Engyo]

Isn't utopia a matter of definition? If I define it narrowly enough, then I can claim it is already occurring; if I define it broadly enough, then it becomes impossible.

The real trick then becomes coming up with a definition of utopia that two or more people can agree upon. If you can actually do that, you might have a chance of creating it as well, at least for those who are in agreement.

The Buddha would define utopia as a land/place/realm where suffering does not exist. Different Buddhist teachings, lineages and schools address this in different ways.......

[Runt]

To EL:

I wasn't talking about you, I was agreeing with you!

Oh. My bad! :P

To Engyo:

Isn't utopia a matter of definition?

Aye, that it is. I chose to define utopia based on Plato's definition, but there are other, more recent definitions (and I'm sure some older defintions under other names).

To Everyone: Is utopia (however you personally define it) possible in this world? Or can it only be achieved in the next? Or never?

[deahca2]

sure, sure, no women until you want supper, or clean clothes or even a bit of erm, loving. lol
:P
Deah

[ErikaLee]

Utopia is a completely perfect world, yes?

I'm not sure if that is completely possible as there will always be things that make you sad, people die, people get hurt, etc. But I do believe you can get as close as humanly possible if your soul is content.

I even think I have a little slice of Utopia myself. I love my life, my husband and daughter. I get along with my folks, and when my sister bugs me, I hang up the phone. I try not to do things I don't want to do, or deal with people I don't want to deal with.

That may be as close as we get in this life... and I'm taking it!

EL

[Runt]

Utopia is a completely perfect world, yes?

Aye, the modern definition of utopia probably includes the world "perfect" (I could check to be sure, but I'm too lazy). However, I think the Greek belief was more that a utopia was a place where everything was "right", in its place, people did what their duty demands of them, people were happy spiritually and emotionally. I am not sure they really believe that it was a place with NO strife or problems; just a place where the PEOPLE were "right" and didn't let strife get them down...

[jtb]

Hi

Like all things, "Utopia" is a personal reference to one's inner self! In Christianity you are given (1) blessing which will lead you to your personal "Utopia", but also create an "Utopia" for others and hopefully the whole world.

1. Be Fruitful..... ( * Personal Utopia * )

Personally love and honor God -> have a true relationship with the creator!

2. Multiply....

Pass your love of God to others -> By your actions shown to others, people will see the goodness that is in you and that goodness will make others want to have what you have!

3. Heavenly sovereignty on the Earth

True oneness with each other and with God the creator!


"Utopia" in Christianity refers to the "Tree of Life". You can find it in the bible (10) times, and all of those refer to successfully reaching your personal "Utopia", which is the only way into heaven!


Ref: ( the last time it appears in the bible... )

Revelation 22

#14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

#15

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


jtb

[Truthseeker]

There have certainly been a lot of attempts to create utopia (from Plato to Marx to Communism to various communes), but thus far none of it has worked.

Yes these things haven't worked beause it trys to go against our nature to recieve for ourselves that is why it won't work.

Don't you find it strange that a country as rich in natural resources as Russia is economically in such a bad way ? Why is that ? Why has it happened ? Well Baal Hasulam predicted that this would happen in his texts long long before communism came to power in Russia. Had Russia's efforts been in order to please The Creator (Loving your neighbour as yourself.) then they certainly would have been more successful and rich than any other country in the world.

There is going to be a utopia on this earth and neither should there be where there is a lot better is waiting for us. Only when the last generation walks the Earth will we have a situation where this is practiced because it will be in mans interests to do it - to not practice it will cause us harm.

Check this article out:http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/thelastgeneration.htm

[Green Gaia]

Utopia is the title of a philosophical treatise (1516) by English writer and statesman Sir Thomas More. It contrasts the moral decadence and disunity of contemporary Christian Europe with the tolerance and prosperity of More’s imaginary ideal state of Utopia, which is run on secular, communist principles. More coined the state’s name from the Greek words ou “not” and topos “place,” literally meaning “nonexistent place.”

utopia (noun): an ideal and perfect place or state, where everyone lives in harmony and everything is for the best

I don't believe a Utopia is possible because of human desires and needs and wants. However, a perfect state of harmony, or utopia is possible within ourselves, I believe and perhaps that is what one should try to obtain.

[deahca2]

RE: utopia within

Think even that can be achieved by the normal person? I doubt that. Live has a way of interfering with serenity. lol
deah