Trinity - Fact or Fiction? (Jesus Christ, Earth, creation, scriptures)

[Dream Angel]

Ok, I can tell some of you want to scream at me for saying I do not believe in the trinity in my "Non-Trinitarians" thread:-http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...939#post831939
And are just itching to have a debate about it as one poster wrote:-

The Bible CLEARLY states there is but one God, none others before, none others beside, that God knows of NO other God but Himself. As the Bible CLEARLY ascribes Deity to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three persons can only make up ONE true God, hence a tri-une God.

MANY gods did not create the earth, it was ONE God, three persons, all present at creation, the Spirit of God hovering over the earth, the WORD of God, Jesus, and God the Father, each with their own roles, that is why they said let us make man in our image.

The Bible is completely clear, there is only one God, period.

I know there are some threads already open about this "Is Jesus God in the Flesh?" http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...ad.php?t=51381 but I wanted to address the "whole trinity" "Father, Son, Holy Spirit".

So fire away.... lets hear those ideas?

[joeboonda]

I reckon that is me you quoted there laws...If one goes by scripture alone as authority, the Bible does say that there is one God and no other beside Him, none before, none after, that He knows not one. We cannot have three gods, as there is but one, so we have one God, three persons. That is what I believe from scripture, that's all. Peace.

[Mister Emu]

Do you have any specific questions?

[Dream Angel]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Do you have any specific questions?

No specific questions! Just thought I would open a thread for people to argue for/against the trinity - as it seems a couple were eager to do so in the non debating forums.....

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I reckon that is me you quoted there laws...If one goes by scripture alone as authority, the Bible does say that there is one God and no other beside Him, none before, none after, that He knows not one. We cannot have three gods, as there is but one, so we have one God, three persons. That is what I believe from scripture, that's all. Peace.

And yet the Creeds that hundred of millions of Christians use to describe the triune God state, "[The] Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God..." If there are three "persons" and those three "persons" and each of them is divine, explain to me please how they are "one God." Talk about circular logic!

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

explain to me please how they are "one God." Talk about circular logic!

How many Trinitarians does it take to change a light bulb?

Three. One to change the light bulb.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

I reckon that is me you quoted there laws...If one goes by scripture alone as authority, the Bible does say that there is one God and no other beside Him, none before, none after, that He knows not one. We cannot have three gods, as there is but one, so we have one God, three persons. That is what I believe from scripture, that's all. Peace.

I would suggest that is cherry picking, there are different ways to understand the scriptures you have quoted, you take a few scriptures out of the context of the bible and use them to support your view when there are many many more scriptures that indicate they are not the same being.

There are dozens of times where Jesus Christ is called the Son. He is seen sitting on the right hand of God in a vision after he ascended. At His baptism, the voice of God the Father comes down from heaven as Jesus comes out of the water. Jesus prays to His Father, and states that His Father is in heaven while Jesus was on the earth. Jesus explains in John 17 (if I remember right) how we can be one with Jesus as Jesus is one with the Father. If that is possible, either we are going to become the same being as Jesus or Jesus was talking about a different kind of oneness.

If one goes by the scripture alone as authority, one may easily see that Jesus really is the Son of God, that Jesus and God the Father are seperate and distinct beings just as it is described in the bible. I always have to laugh at the idea of Jesus praying to Himself all that time on earth. How does that make an ounce of sense? Who is Jesus talking to? What could He possibly mean when He said "not my will but thine"? Can one person have two different wills?

I think belief in the trinity requires some very strange mental gymnastics that are both illogical and inconsistant with the bible.

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is a bit like there being only one telephone in the house.
You never know which is going to answer.
But as they speak with one voice
Does it matter?