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Old 05-24-2007, 05:24 PM
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I read an article (that you can see in my thread suffering and the underground church) were a Romanian preacher was asked what verses were a help to him when he was being tortured. He said it wasn't the words but the reality that the words express. And that God is the truth, the Bible is the truth about the truth, theology is the truth about the truth about the truth, a good sermon is the truth about the truth about the truth about the truth, and we need to get back to the truth. He said it wasn't the words "the Lord is my shepard" that helped, but God himself ( and the reality that he was his shepard.) So the question is, do words themselves have power (like abracadabra).
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I read an article (that you can see in my thread suffering and the underground church) were a Romanian preacher was asked what verses were a help to him when he was being tortured. He said it wasn't the words but the reality that the words express. And that God is the truth, the Bible is the truth about the truth, theology is the truth about the truth about the truth, a good sermon is the truth about the truth about the truth about the truth, and we need to get back to the truth. He said it wasn't the words "the Lord is my shepard" that helped, but God himself ( and the reality that he was his shepard.) So the question is, do words themselves have power (like abracadabra).
I think that words have power when spoken by someone who holds the authority to use them. Speaking in a secular sense, a jury has the power to end someone's life with the single word, "Guilty!" I think the same thing is true with words used in a religious setting.
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Its almost surprising how much power words can have-

5 And now, as the preaching of the word had a great tendency to lead the people to do that which was just—yea, it had had more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which had happened unto them—therefore Alma thought it was expedient that they should try the virtue of the word of God.

(Book of Mormon | Alma 31:5)
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Words will never have as much power as actions.
this is true, in a way. i would say that the words must work within us and through us on some level.

whether that is more of a testament to the power inherent in the words or to the human spirit pulling through of its own accord is debatable in each case.

in my own faith, i would say that the words themselves are infused with truth in such a way that we are compelled to respond, through our reaction to them, our desire to follow what is true, and through the grace of God working within the words and within ourselves.

but to the point previous: one can say "yes, all people are equal!" and then realize that one has a knee-jerk aversion to certain peoples one has been taught to categorize in a certain way. whether one tries to work on this aversion or disharmony is what matters.
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I read an article (that you can see in my thread suffering and the underground church) were a Romanian preacher was asked what verses were a help to him when he was being tortured. He said it wasn't the words but the reality that the words express. And that God is the truth, the Bible is the truth about the truth, theology is the truth about the truth about the truth, a good sermon is the truth about the truth about the truth about the truth, and we need to get back to the truth. He said it wasn't the words "the Lord is my shepard" that helped, but God himself ( and the reality that he was his shepard.) So the question is, do words themselves have power (like abracadabra).
I'm quite sure that it didn't make any difference what he beleived. He sreamed till he tore his vocal chords, What good is faith then?
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Words will never have as much power as actions.
"That's the stupidist thing I've ever heard and only a dimwit like you would say something as ignorant as this!"

Phew, that felt pretty powerful to me. How about you?

"I humbly and sincerely apologise for what I wrote initially and retract it unreservedly."

Hmm, is that an action, my apology? Which was more powerful?

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mostly this is true but its words that start the action in the first place
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mostly this is true but its words that start the action in the first place
still, mostly true, unless someone out of the blue, who you have never seen before, and has never seen you before, whacks you in the head with a rock. no words there.
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