Religion and progess (Jesus, Revelation, bible, Apostle, God)

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

God can expand on the Bible, we can't do anything. Nowadays people exalt there own intelligence way to much.

Who then do you think assembled the Bible, if not men guided by the Spirit?

[d.]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

If it's true it shouldn't change,

to give my perspective on your OP, the problem seems to be mainly just that : if a religion is claiming absolute truth, and absolute knowledge of metaphysics, then changing opinion on major issues has a discrediting effect on many people.

since i don't believe that any human can claim knowledge of absolute truth, or have complete knowledge of metaphysics, i see it as largely a good thing that religions change with the times as new knowledge is produced.

[Sonic247]

That was still God, he was just working through people. And they were writing about what they saw God do, for instance they could write about the ressurection of Jesus but only because God raised him from the dead.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by d.

to give my perspective on your OP, the problem seems to be mainly just that : if a religion is claiming absolute truth, and absolute knowledge of metaphysics, then changing opinion on major issues has a discrediting effect on many people.

since i don't believe that any human can claim knowledge of absolute truth, or have complete knowledge of metaphysics, i see it as largely a good thing that religions change with the times as new knowledge is produced.

Why would this be a "good thing" if it only has whatever meaning you happen to apply to it at the time. The only thing you can really look forward is "change" but not necessarily something "good". People have this habit of equating "change" with something "good". Change is just change, nothing more.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

That was still God, he was just working through people. And they were writing about what they saw God do, for instance they could write about the ressurection of Jesus but only because God raised him from the dead.

The problem here is that you wouldn't believe just anybody claiming "God's Word" would you?

[gmelrod]

I think the post might benifit from some improved definition. The face of the Catholic Church has clearly changed. But is there any core belief, a tenate of the faith that was once held and is not now. While Victor is a much better RC scholar than I am I think I see the point he is trying to make here. While the rules governing members behavior and relations have changed the core propositions of faith, the creed, has remained unchanged since the birth of the Church. Put this way I have to agree with VIctor. I cannot think of somthing that was once believed that no longer is. The core of the church is unchanging.

As to the OP I think religions should change to reflect a diffrence in human nature but that does not mean core beliefs had to change. One can look at the Catholic churches practical treatment of women. From segragation through headcovering to now allowing female alter servers. God does not change
so our belief in him on an institutional level should not either.

[Sonic247]

Originally Posted by d.

to give my perspective on your OP, the problem seems to be mainly just that : if a religion is claiming absolute truth, and absolute knowledge of metaphysics, then changing opinion on major issues has a discrediting effect on many people.

since i don't believe that any human can claim knowledge of absolute truth, or have complete knowledge of metaphysics, i see it as largely a good thing that religions change with the times as new knowledge is produced.

If they are just going to change then there is no point in having religion at all (except for the parts that wouldn't change.) That's why if there was a commercial about Jesus it would have this verse at the end:

"Jesus Christ; the same yesterday, today and forever."

[Sonic247]

Originally Posted by Victor

The problem here is that you wouldn't believe just anybody claiming "God's Word" would you?

That is a good thing though considering there are many false prophets.

[Sonic247]

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[Victor]