Catholic Church The First (Jesus Christ, Earth, Messiah, Kingdom, tradition)

[TruthInCatholocism]

I would Actually like to start a debate about Catholic Church as the First Christian Church see where it goes

[UnityNow101]

They may indeed be the first organized and structured Christian church, but there were MANY followers before the Catholic Church that stayed in Jerusalem and adhered to the teachings of Christ while in the confines of Judaism. The Catholic Church came into being quite awhile after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[TruthInCatholocism]

I Believe That The day Jesus Gave Peter the "Keys To His Church" He initiated That Catholic Church.. Seeing as The Traditions of the Old Testiment and Early Christian Fathers Are the Same Or Very Similiar to Todays Catholic Church....

[UnityNow101]

Peter never professed to be the Pope of a Christian Church and there is really no evidence that Peter ever travelled to Rome.

[Halcyon]

I'd say that the Jerusalem Church was the first Christian Church, and that the pre-split Catholic Church was a later fusion of elements from the Jerusalem Church mixed with the teachings of Paul. With the real Jerusalem Church being disbanded in the war.

[TruthInCatholocism]

O_O Pope Is a contemperary Word Rooting from papa meaning "Father" Pope is a name Given to the Catholic leader found in rome.. Of course he never called himself Pope O_O but was Peter a Church Father? Yes hence Papa or Pope >.<

Proof he was a church Father or leader you say?

"[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]

O_O Uh ....

"Simon Cephas answered and said, ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.’ Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah: flesh and blood has not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say unto thee also, that you are Cephas, and on this rock will I build my Church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it" (The Diatesseron 23 [A.D. 170]).

Since The Begining Of Christian Faith this has been Recognized --- > Peter you are a rock on on this rock i shall Build My Church

O_O Pretty Simple id say.....

Peter Left Jerusalom For a unkown Destination Whos to say he didnt go to rome.. Actually seeing Paul Became a prisoner of Rome it wouldnt be Unlikley.. Not that the Location of Peter's Destination Really Matters.. The Catholic Church holds True Grounds in the Tradition of the Early Church.... It is the single one that does

That simple.. You tell me something That is Unbiblical..or...atleast not recognized by the early church leaders... Ill show you otherwise

[PHOTOTAKER]

the only pope that was called pope at the time was excommunacated from the church i forgot what his name was... he is now known as an anti-pope... paul gave some question that we need to answer to find the true church :

1corthians 12:28-30:

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Are all apostles? as far as i know none in the caitholic church has seen the face of christ...

are all prophets? as far as i know none belive in revalation...

are all teachers? only those that have the authoity to do so not all can teach as far as i know

all workers of miracles? as far as i know only a few have this power

Have all the gifts of healing? as far as i know statues have this power...

do all speak with tongues? as far as i know no...

do all interpret? as far as i know only a few with this athority have this privlage to say something to the contray as those in authority...

if as one point this was the church that God declared it look to me that it is no more... not unless there is something i do not know... shall we go though all the church's?

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by UnityNow101

They may indeed be the first organized and structured Christian church, but there were MANY followers before the Catholic Church that stayed in Jerusalem and adhered to the teachings of Christ while in the confines of Judaism. The Catholic Church came into being quite awhile after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Ever read St Ignatius of antioch? He was a first century Bishop who was a disciple of the "apostle John himself". In the early second century he mentions the Catholic church explicitly. The Catholic church is the same church as the church that Jesus founded and the catholic faith comes from the apostles. The Catholic church is the same organic Church as that of the apostles and can trace its bishops back to the apostle Peter see:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

As a matter of fact the bible shows us that the church would be Catholic or "universal", as Christ calls his Church to go to "all" Nations and baptize them and teach them(Mt 28).

One cannot be a student of early Church history and not see the Catholic church was the Chruch that the apostles founded. As one scholarly convert from protestantism would say "To become deep in history is to cease to be protestant"....John Henry Cardinal Newmann.

A great history bookto read is called "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic, The Early Church Was The Catholic Church" by Kenneth D. Whitehead

Great book, its demostrates the historical fact that the early Church that Jesus and the apostles founded was the Catholic Church.

[UnityNow101]

Not to throw this thread off topic..But what is the difference between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church? Does the Eastern Orthodox Church more closely resemble the first Church in Jerusalem?

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by TruthInCatholocism

O_O Pope Is a contemperary Word Rooting from papa meaning "Father" Pope is a name Given to the Catholic leader found in rome.. Of course he never called himself Pope O_O but was Peter a Church Father? Yes hence Papa or Pope >.<

Matthew 23:8 "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. NIV

Originally Posted by TruthInCatholocism

That simple.. You tell me something That is Unbiblical..or...atleast not recognized by the early church leaders... Ill show you otherwise

So, by your own admission, he uses a moniker that the Lord has asked us NOT to use. Hmnnnn, so do all your priests.

No, the Catholic church looks NOTHING like the church presented in Acts. Not even close.