Catholic Church The First (Jesus Christ, Earth, Messiah, Kingdom, tradition)

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Victor

If you struggle with authority because you like the freedom of interpreting the Bible however strikes you fancy, then have it! That's between you and God. But please don't extend such trite slogans as "pride" to me or my Church.

Yes! Give me FREEDOM! FREEDOM IN CHRIST TO LOVE!

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. NIV

FREEDOM! SPIRITUAL FREEDOM FROM THE MODERN DAY PHARISEES! WOOOOO HOOOOOOO!


Galatians 5:1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.NIV


What you so despise, I embrace. Christ gave me that FREEDOM and I will not relinquish it to a lie. Thanks for asking!

Colossians 2:6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. NIV

Give me that FREEDOM BABY! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Victor

Pete, and how does us pointing to a historical fact do what you say? Maybe you don't like what you are hearing and decided to label it as pride and boasting?

There is no substantiated fact here: just typical propaganda, er dogma, er doctrine that twists scripture and history to their convenience. The name Catholic is NEVER found in the Scriptures. Go figure. They didn't call themselves that for a reason: they weren't Catholic. That's the truth. Why can't you accept it?

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Yes! Give me FREEDOM! FREEDOM IN CHRIST TO LOVE!

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. NIV

FREEDOM! SPIRITUAL FREEDOM FROM THE MODERN DAY PHARISEES! WOOOOO HOOOOOOO!


Galatians 5:1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.NIV


What you so despise, I embrace. Christ gave me that FREEDOM and I will not relinquish it to a lie. Thanks for asking!

Colossians 2:6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. NIV

Give me that FREEDOM BABY! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!

Wow! Beginners luck?....I'm getting better at this. Atlest now I have something to base my assummptions to. Thanks Pete!

Peace be with you.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

There is no substantiated fact here: just typical propaganda, er dogma, er doctrine that twists scripture and history to their convenience. The name Catholic is NEVER found in the Scriptures. Go figure. They didn't call themselves that for a reason: they weren't Catholic. That's the truth. Why can't you accept it?

Are you kidding me? You don't believe it's the first Church because it's name isn't in the Bible? Alright Pete, you take care. I have nothing constructive more to add at the moment.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Quite possibly, you will understand how arrogant it appears that you feel the need to claim primacy, when YOUR CHURCH is never mentioned in the scriptures. Maybe you can learn this lesson from James and John...

Mark 10:35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him. "Teacher," they said, "we want you to do for us whatever we ask." 36 "What do you want me to do for you?" he asked.
37 They replied, "Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory."
38 "You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said. "Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?"
39 "We can," they answered. Jesus said to them, "You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared."
41 When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John. 42 Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." NIV

You think you have some sort of edge because of some kind of flawed primacy? You feel that YOUR CHURCH alone is responsible for the scriptures? I would suggest that you not try to lord it over everyone. It tarnishes the halo you keep putting over your head. If you want respect from me you're going to have to learn some humility. Stop the gate keeping mentality, and open the flood gates of love instead. Then you will turn some heads and hearts to Jesus.

Funny, one of the titles of the pope is Servant of the servants of God. Kinda like what Jesus was showing our first Papal Prime minster Peter in Jn 13 at Lords supper.

I did not start this thread and I do not have a "Flood gates mentality". I honestly try to be humble by the grace of God, but being humble doesn't mean you shouldn't defend your faith, especially if that faith if given to you by Christ. The Catholic church does not have a floodgates mentality either. We teach and believe in our catechism that other non-Catholic Christians can enter heaven. I do not judge your salvation, I believe that you very well may get to heaven via Christ saving grace. But I do believe that Christ would want you to know and have the "fullness of truth" that is only found in his Catholic Church which he guides through the Holy spirit. As we Catholics hold the possibility that you will make it to heaven, the Catholic church and myself Lord over nothing. We just proclaim historic biblical and traditional truth, the truth of Christ and his message for all to hear. If you will not open your minds and hearts to recieve this truth, then I will do as Jesus suggested and shake the dust from my feet. Either which way its like I said, You will know the Catholic church is the true church of Christ when you get to heaven. I cannot wait to serve the Lamb at his throne with you by my side in the heavenly Liturgy.

[TruthInCatholocism]

I agree with Victor ..Before i was A true Catholic (born Catholic.. Made my own decision later) I Got 3 Certs Theology.. Church History....and finally Catholocism and Scripture.. and i have Written (mind you before Catholocism) 2 thesis and 2 [nearly ] Published Articles on Catholocism and The Early Church...

I realized By Guidance of the holy Spirit.. Catholocism was the FIrst and true Church.. and im happy about it..

Ill say it once more.. Jehova Witnesses will argue God is Not Triune.. Because the word doesnt Appear in the Bible.. Thru your logic... Then you must agree with JW in saying God is not Triune..

Here are Some Others....

"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1).
What do we Call that? Atheism! Is Atheism Mentioned in the bible? Yes.. By word... no.. Does that mean that Atheism isnt in the bible?... Hmm i wonder...

Psalm 139 n (read it) What is that telling us... Devinity!.. Is god Devine? Do you Believe it? hmmm Bet you do.. Is divinity mentioned in the bible?

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Word for that not mentioned in the Bible... Incarnation... hmmmm

Are you Monotheist? Is the term mentioned in the Bible?? By your logic.. You cant be monotheist... Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me


Rapture... Not in the Bible.. But as Chrisitans we belive it..


Im sensing a pattern here.. There are many words that dont appear in the Bible.. Doesnt it make it less true... O_O

It is silly and just plain Rediculous that your argument Be "because Catholic doesnt appear in the bible....." O_O

[PHOTOTAKER]

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Word for that not mentioned in the Bible... Incarnation... hmmmm

i wonder if you relize that this is declaring that everything was first made in spirit then was made the world... so everything in the world was frist created in spirit then created in the flesh or matter as we know it...

[PHOTOTAKER]

thanking about what this threid is about the "frist true church" it would not be any church that is around today... it would be the church that Adam and Eve was apart of "one God, one church, and one baptism" which means that the true church is founded upon talking with God and angels face to face... so now the "true" church today would have to work and operate on these pricables...