Catholic Church The First (Jesus Christ, Earth, Messiah, Kingdom, tradition)

[TruthInCatholocism]

Proof...
"And there people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, 'Courage, child, your sins are forgiven.' At that, some of the scribes said to themselves, 'This man is blaspheming.' Jesus knew what they were thinking, and said, 'Why do you harbor evil thoughts? Which is easier, to say, "Your sins are forgiven," or to say, "Rise up and walk"? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,' he then said to the paralytic, 'Rise, pick up your stretcher, and go home.' He rose and went home. When the crowds saw this they were struck with awe and glorified God who had given such authority to human beings" (Matt. 9:2-8).
"Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me" (Luke 10:16).
"[Jesus] said to them again, 'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.' And then he breathed on them and said to them, 'Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained'" (John 20:21-23).
"And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us" (2 Cor. 5:18-20).

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Sounds Like Catholocism to me!
Can you hold the same Grounds anywhere in early Church history for a faith other then Catholocism?
I doubt it.....
a term or word doesnt have to appear in the Bible to make it true
As i said earlier in this post Triune, Trinity... words we contempararily use For God as 3 entity's doesnt appear in the Bible... Becasue it is a more Contemporary term...
Just becasue the term Catholic Comes into Play later in the Church... Doesnt mean it wasnt a Catholic Church... THe Church since the Begining was Universal.. (catholic) and still is

(Quotes of Church Fathers taken from numerous of my own Books and some Sites)

[TruthInCatholocism]

Sorry again O_O

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Its doesn't???

No it doesn't.

There is only ONE high priest: Jesus

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. NIV

Every Christian is a priest.

I Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. NIV

How about all those robes? What did Jesus say about people who wore flowing robes???

Luke 20:45 While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46" Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." NIV

The point is: unless the scriptures say CATHOLIC, we shouldn't assume that it means Catholic. That's a man made name and not found in the NT.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by TruthInCatholocism

Can you hold the same Grounds anywhere in early Church history for a faith other then Catholocism?

From the scriptures:

Romans 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings. NIV

The faith is called CHRISTIANITY and not Catholicism.

Acts 11:25 Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. NIV

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

No it doesn't.

There is only ONE high priest: Jesus

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. NIV

Every Christian is a priest.

I Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. NIV

How about all those robes? What did Jesus say about people who wore flowing robes???

Luke 20:45 While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46" Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." NIV

The point is: unless the scriptures say CATHOLIC, we shouldn't assume that it means Catholic. That's a man made name and not found in the NT.

We never said the apostles or priest are high priest. thats right jesus is the only High priest. the apostles are middle ministerial priest, not high priest. aaron was a high priest, his sons were the ministerial priest, and Israel were the common priesthood. 3 different types of priesthood in the bible. the new testament mirrors the old. Again you haven't studied the bible or what I have said. 1 Peter 2:5 mirrors Exodus 19:6.

Jesus is the high priest, the only one. the Catholic church teaches such. the apostles were middle ministerial priest(Rom 15:16) who held a priesthood of preaching and bringing Jesus to the people(Via the eucharist and preaching), the common believer was a lay or universal priest(1 Peter 2:5). No problems there.

robes or clothing have nothing to do with disproving the Priesthood. Many bible ministers wear robes when they preach. And if your going to go there, then where does Jesus say that ministers are supposed to wear suits or ties when they preach?


That passage you listed about robes talks about the teachers of the mosaic law(the torah). Catholics are not under the mosaic law. they are under the law of Christ(the law of Love Matt 5, 6, 7), and under his Grace which freely saves us(Eph 2:5).

[TruthInCatholocism]

Heres where i dont follow... Your POint is if the Bible Doesnt say Catholic that dont assume the Church was catholic....????

A. As i mentioned.. I know as a chrisitan you belive in The One God and you belive he is Triune... Where in the Bible is Triune or Trinity Found?????

B. When do the Catholic Priests Greet in MarketPlaces??? Why Qoute Part of scripture that doesnt pertain to catholocism at all... Seeing as Catholocism "isnt mentioned in the bible"

More Specifically if you actually read the text .... He was talking about Scripbes.. Through your Broad Interpretation the same could be said about Judges (Law-Long robes)

and i agree with athanasius The church teaches that jesus is the High Priest i would not dare to sy otherwise

[UnityNow101]

What about the Eastern Orthodox Church...Are they too considered to be the original and in the truth?

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by athanasius

That passage you listed about robes talks about

Straining the gnat, you have swallowed the camel. Sigh, you missed the entire point. The ENTIRE point.

If you want to rewrite history and twist scripture to support your fallacious view of the Catholic Church, then there is nothing I can do to stop you. Just don't expect me to embrace this, ESPECIALLY when there is no scripturally compelling reason to do so.

As I suggested in the "other" thread, I believe that Catholics are Christians, but not the only or even the first Christians. This appears to come from sort of need to control the rest of Christendom. We ain't buying it, hombre.

[TruthInCatholocism]

A. Not asking you to "buy it"
B. You totally ingnored my Bible Description which clearly Explains and Shows Catholocism as First..
C. I never said it was the only one.. I said it was the First and is the Truth