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#11
04-14-2007, 09:32 PM
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 If they are not attacking you, that means they are not worried about you. ~ Kevin Madden ~ Last edited by Katzpur; 04-14-2007 at 09:34 PM. 
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04-14-2007, 10:59 PM
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That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one call things in Christ... EPH 1:10
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04-15-2007, 08:29 AM
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There was once "Two" Popes and There was Question ages ago about which Pope was the "Authentic" Pope.. But that bears No relevence Here....
31But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way. A. FInish The passage B. Every Time I write in this forum i am compelled to remind those who qoute to look at the passage or chapter as a whole.. Not as a single paragraph or sentence it is shown here in Chapter 12 that the church was one, but that there was a necessity for diversity in that church; and that, therefore, no one should value himself on that gift above anyone else..... and no one should feel himself dishonoured because he had not been thus favoured. All filled important places in the church, just as the various members and parts of the human system were necessary for its symmetry, action, and health; and all, therefore, should be willing to occupy the place which God had assigned them........ Ill say it again... Learn What a passage is saying.. DOnt look for a single passage without knowing what the whole Book.Verse..Or paragraph is actually talking about.. and missing 31: in that passage is very important  O_O
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#14
04-15-2007, 08:44 AM
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Once the door is open, the keys to the lock are no longer needed. Peter told the world on the day of Pentecost how to become a Christian, and the gates of heaven have not closed since. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all the truth: not another man made priesthood with the Pope as the high priest. The problem is that people want to CONTROL access to the Kingdom. God has never given that right to ANY human being. The greek uses two different words for "Peter" and for "rock" in that passage. Peter was diminutive while rock was not. I suggest the ROCK Jesus was referring to was Peter's confession:
Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. NIV As a contrast, let's see what Jesus said to Peter later in this very same chapter: Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." NIV So somehow, our Lord who sees all things, went from calling Jesus a "rock" to "Satan"? This only makes sense if the "rock" were something else, like the truth Peter uttered.
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04-15-2007, 08:46 AM
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On sabbatical until things become fun again.
Reach me at NetDoc@ScubaBoard.com or on www.ScubaBoard.com.
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04-15-2007, 08:47 AM
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OK sorry just finished reading the rest of the posts
Here goes... First ill start with similiarities..... For the first 800 years of Christianity, there was no doubt regarding the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. 1. "I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?" 2. "For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself." 3. 110 AD (early huh?) "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again... Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop, or by one whom he appoints. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Epistle to the Smyreans) "Take heed, then, to have but one Eucharist. For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup to [show forth] the unity of His blood; one altar; as there is one bishop, along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to [the will of] God." (Epistle to the Philadelphians) The list goes on.... Infant Baptism: Where infants Baptized? Entire Housholds were batptized by the 12 Apostles (ENTIRE) (I Corinthians 1: 16; Acts 11: 14, 16: 15, 33, 18: 8) According To historical Fact... Polycarp (Deciple of the apostle john) Baptized as an infant...... Irenaeus Babptized as an infant.... Ever Look into church history? Nah no Non-Catolic would want to.... Read Fidus 1:2 "Infants are to be baptized for the remission of sins. Cyprian’s reply to a country bishop, Fidus, who wrote him regarding the Baptism of infants, is even more explicit. Should we wait until the eighth day as did the Jews in circumcision? No, the child should be baptized as soon as it is born" or cyperian: "We ought not hinder any person from Baptism and the grace of God..... especially infants. . . those newly born." 7 sacrements in the Bible........... Babtism: 1 Peter 3:20-21 John 3:5 (also note verse 22) Confessing sins to man (only god has the power to forgive sins but he does it thru men) 1 John 1:9 James 5:16 Mark 2:7 Matthew 9:1-8 Eucharist: John 6 Matthew 26:26-28 1 Cor 11:23-26, 27-29 I can keep going....... What church... What Church other then the Catholic Church follows these teachigns today? Non-But... The Catholic CHurch Baptizes infants... Celebrates the Eucharist Every Day... as the Apostles did.. And realizes the True Presence Of jesus as the Apostles did.. And as the Early church did...... We understand that our sins are forgiven by God.. But god uses this power thru Man... and there are successors... In the Epistles.. and Acts we see the Appointing of Bishops..... In the earliest recorded Christan documents we see all this as well...... Look it up.. study it.. Leanr what youd ont know.. Youll be suprised
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04-15-2007, 08:51 AM
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Peter the rock as in his confession?
uh..No... "You are Simon son of John; your name shall be 'cephas'." Cephas is the Greek transliteration of an Aramic word meaning rock. Petros from which we get the English "Peter" is a translation. O_O Think about it
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04-15-2007, 09:06 AM
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Infant baptism ritualizes a personal appeal to God. It's a decision each and every person should make: not one that you can make for me. I Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. NIV How does an infant make an appeal? How does an infant make a pledge? How does an infant repent? So how do you dance around this passage? I Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. NIV So, what church forbids it's clergy to marry? Interesting, isn't it? No, I am not ready to accept a man made church as being the "one" and only. I don't believe that Christ's church has a name. The ecclesia will be a surprise to many, many people: even to those who think they don't really belong.
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04-15-2007, 03:47 PM
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I think alittle more research needs to be doen on you part O_O
In that day in time.. It wasnt uncommon to have 3 - 4 children present in a house hold.. Contempary time has nothing to do with Then..... And You may not enter the kigdom of heaven unless baptized yet we know That the kingdom of heaven belongs to People such as these hmmmmmmmm........ Edit: Oh and why do we have no record of early Christian writers condemning it? the Bible never says, "Faith in Christ is necessary for salvation except for infants"; it simply says, "Faith in Christ is necessary for salvation." why do you try to ignore the historical writings from the early Church which clearly indicate the legitimacy of infant baptism 1 peter 3:21 is not teaching us that baptism is what saves us. Rather, it is showing us that the water symbolizes a spiritual cleansing through the power of the Holy Spirit gained through Christ’s victory over death. Infants were baptized in the early church... Read older church documents stemming back 65 AD... O_O Your concept is only what you want to know or want to hear.. and that is not the truth... Learn what the earliest of Christan Churches did..... Why is it you dont belive in the True Presence yet even in Scripture it is recognized O_O What does The passage from Timothy have to do with Catholocism? The Church is not Forcing those not to fall in love... It is giving men options.. To Be Devoted to the lord and the lord soley or to be devoted to your family.. Either Priesthood or Marriage is a sacrement.. And niehter is forced or shunned upon.. it is a spiritual choice... The stems of the reasoning goes back further then you probbally ever researched take your time to discover why.. You will be suprised as well... Last edited by TruthInCatholocism; 04-15-2007 at 03:59 PM.
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04-15-2007, 04:34 PM
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