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Old 10-29-2004, 02:18 PM
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Catholic means Universal (Latin)
That's true, but words can have multiple meanings. Catholic can refer to both the Catholic Church and in another usage mean universal. The one meaning of the word is not superior to the other -- which is correct depends on what you're trying to say.
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:30 PM
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Many give G-d traits, that isn't recognizing that something is unknowable.
We try to give G-d traits in an attempt to understand Him and His will. We are finite creatures simply attatching our finite terms in an attempt to understand the Infinite. We can never truely understand G-d and His will.
I like to think of HaShem as...The Force! He binds and connects all living things and if we try hard enough through meditation and prayers and whatever you choose to do we can tap into a little bit of that Divinity and get a glimpse of something greater than ourselves.
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:33 PM
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Ronald -

Catholic (with a capital C) is used to denote the faith and religion of Catholicism. When the word catholic (lower case c) is used, it denotes universalism, but even then this is an extremely rare use of the word in normal discourse of the English language, as opposed to the Latin language, where it might occur in that context more frequently.

Since Lightkeeper made her statement in English and did not choose to use the word "catholic" (much less "Catholic"), I think we can take it that she meant exactly what she wrote. That is to say, I think you are intentionally trying to turn this into an opportunity to make a statement about Catholicism, when it is not germane to the question on the table.

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Old 10-29-2004, 02:37 PM
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In response to the question of this thread, I like what Master Vigil said. In my opinion, if there is a Universal Soul, I would say that ALL living things (animal or vegetable) are part of it.

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I had another thought. Lightkeeper, were you refering to what Jung called the 'collective unconscious'?
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:40 PM
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Catholic means Universal (Latin)
I repeat myself, this is nontheistic and has nothing to do with Catholicism.
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:52 PM
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That is to say, I think you are intentionally trying to turn this into an opportunity to make a statement about Catholicism, when it is not germane to the question on the table.

I think as in your sig, That is your opinion and you may be wrong.
And you are wrong! Whether it is in caps or not the word is Universal/Chatholic, so I asked of the question since it was vague, I wanted clarification, and this is fact, not opinion!
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I had another thought. Lightkeeper, were you refering to what Jung called the 'collective unconscious'?
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If you are speaking of a universal essence that holds all together that could be termed as G-d then possibly, if you are speaking a universal essence that everyone recognizes and identifies as the same thing, then probably not...the reason being is that every group would probably define this as "G-d" so there would be vast differences.

It would help if the question was more specifice, like, is there a universal consciensess that everyone agrees on, or is the universal concience x? These questions would casue more and better debate.
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I think as in your sig, That is your opinion and you may be wrong.
And you are wrong! Whether it is in caps or not the word is Universal/Chatholic, so I asked of the question since it was vague, I wanted clarification, and this is fact, not opinion!
Good! Then we don't have to worry about that!
That is exactly why my signature is what it is. If I misunderstood, I apologize. If I accused you wrongly, I apologize.

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