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Old 04-15-2007, 01:40 PM
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FFH, I am a former LDS and I have to say I know EXACTLY how and why you think the way you do. I used to be just like you until people like Tiberius opened my eyes. I just have to say I hope you come to the realization, just as I did, that what you believe has no basis in scientific evidence. You can't nit-pick pseudo-science from Christian websites and expect that to convince us of your argument. You need to understand that actual scientists, the REAL experts, disagree with you. They don't disagree with you because Satan has blinded them or because they are part of "the wicked/world." They disagree with you because they have studied and searched for truth and have discovered that everything in science points to an Old Earth. I'm trying to say as inoffensively as I can, as a man who has been in your shoes, to wake up.
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FFH, I am a former LDS and I have to say I know EXACTLY how and why you think the way you do. I used to be just like you until people like Tiberius opened my eyes. I just have to say I hope you come to the realization, just as I did, that what you believe has no basis in scientific evidence. You can't nit-pick pseudo-science from Christian websites and expect that to convince us of your argument. You need to understand that actual scientists, the REAL experts, disagree with you. They don't disagree with you because Satan has blinded them or because they are part of "the wicked/world." They disagree with you because they have studied and searched for truth and have discovered that everything in science points to an Old Earth. I'm trying to say as inoffensively as I can, as a man who has been in your shoes, to wake up.
You profess to have no religion, so obviously you will have a tendancy to side with innacurate evolutionary scientific conclusions..

The earth is young...

All creation testifies there is a God. There are many solid evidences pointing to the fact that the earth is young.

If you look to others to validate your personal beliefs, you will always find someone to agree with you.

My beilef that the earth is young was not aquired by reading any scientific theories or facts. Scientific facts only serve to validate what I already know to be true, the earth is young.

The Holy Ghost reveals truth to our hearts and minds and gives peace to our spirits concerning any matter...
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Prometheus, I think it bears repeating that FFH's views are not those of the LDS church. Several of us that have been debating him are LDS, FWIW.
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FFH, I am a former LDS and I have to say I know EXACTLY how and why you think the way you do. I used to be just like you until people like Tiberius opened my eyes.
I'm not sure why you think that FFH's religion has anything at all to do with his beliefs on this topic. There are a good half dozen LDS posters here on RF who cringe with embarrassment every time we see another post on this subject by FFH. These posts are FFH speaking, not the LDS Church, and while he is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else here is, there is absolutely no reason to conclude that it is because he is LDS that he believes as he does. The rest of us believe very much as you do and we certainly didn't need Tiberius to enlighten us!
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You profess to have no religion, so obviously you will side with the inaccurate evolutionary scientific conclusions..
Obviously?
Then please explain the 'obvious' reasons that some LDS members disagree with you?

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The earth is young...
I cannot help but wonder who you are trying to convince, me or yourself?

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All creation testifies there is a God. There are many solid evidences pointing to the fact that the earth is young.
Sadly you cannot see how this statement shows that you are merely ratifying your beliefs.

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If you look to others to validate your personal beliefs, you will always find someone to agree with you.
It is rather difficult to disagree with this statement.
Especially in light of your so aptly demonstrating it within this thread.

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My beilef that the earth is young was not aquired by reading any scientific theories or facts. Scientific facts only serve to validate what I already know, the earth is young.
One problem is that you are only accepting facts that agree with your beliefs.
Another problem is that you are accepting all manner of falsehoods and flat out lies as fact simply because they fall in line with your beliefs.

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There are a good half dozen LDS posters here on RF who cringe with embarrassment every time we see another post on this subject by FFH
Funny...

Don't worry, I'm not bringing any "bad light" upon the LDS church, just thinking for myself..

The LDS church does not hold a position either way on this so I could very well say that any LDS position affirming an old earth could be just as equally shameful, yet I know my position to be correct, so it doesn't bother me to post my views on this subject, in the slightest

Just a thought.

You guys will just have to suffer seeing this thread for a while...
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I cannot help but wonder who you are trying to convince, me or yourself?
Just subliminal messaging

Seriously, neither, just bouncing my thoughts off of others to get their thoughts, which sparks me to research certain aspects of this...

Bouncing thoughts and facts off of others helps to sharpen my understanding of this subject more than if I were to study this on my own...

It also helps motivate me to study this more thoroughly than if I was left on my own to do it...

It's been good to discuss this with all of you and we all seem to be very interested in this subject...

I'll try to be as respectful of your opinions as you have been of mine...
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The LDS church does not hold a position either way on this so I could very well say that any LDS position affirming an old earth could be just as equally shameful, yet I know my position to be correct, so it doesn't bother me to post my views in the slightest
Well, we know ours to be correct, too, so I suppose that means we're back to square one.

I'm glad, at least, to hear you admit that the Church doesn't hold a position either way on this. That much, you're right about. I wouldn't have even piped up had Prometheus not implied that you believe as you do because this is what you're taught in Church.

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FFH, here's a question...

What hypothetical evidence would convince you that the world is ancient? If we are correct and the world is really billions of years old, what should we be seeing?
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