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Old 11-04-2004, 08:05 PM
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Church bans reading the Bible

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07721a.htm
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm

What possible reason would the Church have for banning the Bible?
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Old 11-04-2004, 08:16 PM
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Church bans reading the Bible

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07721a.htm
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm

What possible reason would the Church have for banning the Bible?
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This is a new one. Not the accusation but rather the details. Normally this accusation is said to have happened at the council of Valencia in 1229. Could you find a more credible source than http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm/?

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This is a new one. Not the accusation but rather the details. Normally this accusation is said to have happened at the council of Valencia in 1229. Could you find a more credible source than http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm/?

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I did, it`s right above the one you have a problem with.
here`s more.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/t...ooksrules.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03519d.htm

Maybe they all have their councils mixed up I dunno but again it`s not the point.
The point is the content, the content is the Bible was banned to the layman by the church.

Just one of the many ways the Church attempted to stop intellectualism.
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I did, it`s right above the one you have a problem with.
here`s more.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/t...ooksrules.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03519d.htm

Maybe they all have their councils mixed up I dunno but again it`s not the point.

The point is the content, the content is the Bible was banned to the layman by the church.



Just one of the many ways the Church attempted to stop intellectualism.




During the Albigensian heresy, the problem was they were distorting bible passages to justify their sexual beliefs. A local council was held (in southern France) to help the bishops sort through the problem. After this was understood, the request for people to stop reading the bible was lifted.



Now at Trent, a similar problem existed. In the website you pointed me to, it showed the text from Trent. It says the bible should be limited to learned men. Not kept from laymen. This was response to sola scriptura, the idea that the bible should be taken completely literally. Earlier in this thread we went through this, and pointed to many protestant speeches which exemplify we learned men should be reading the bible.



For the record, the Bible is a recommended reading for Catholics.
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Now at Trent, a similar problem existed. In the website you pointed me to, it showed the text from Trent. It says the bible should be limited to learned men. Not kept from laymen. This was response to sola scriptura, the idea that the bible should be taken completely literally. Earlier in this thread we went through this, and pointed to many protestant speeches which exemplify we learned men should be reading the bible.

It was a problem for the Catholic Church, not for those who were reading the Bible.
The Catholic Church didn`t want anything but their own interpretation of the scripture to be voiced because they didn`t want to have to defend their canon which isn`t Gods word yet it`s law Catholics live by.

They kept Gods word from it`s intended people.

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For the record, the Bible is a recommended reading for Catholics.
It is now of course just as divorce is NOW acceptable.
Just as NOW the Church accepts a heliocentric solar system.
Just as NOW a woman can serve at the alter.
Just as NOW] evolution can be harmonized with scripture.
Just as many many things the Catholic Church has had to change it`s stance on because it was so obviously wrong and simply unacceptable.

The point is the Catholic Church kept the scripture from it`s congregation and instead told the people their version of the story.
Much like the situation you earlier warned against in Islam.
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It was a problem for the Catholic Church, not for those who were reading the Bible.
The Catholic Church didn`t want anything but their own interpretation of the scripture to be voiced because they didn`t want to have to defend their canon which isn`t Gods word yet it`s law Catholics live by.
What are you talking about, not God's Word yet. It was His the min, He said it.
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God's Word is that which lead back to Him, not that which only pleases our senses but also builds us spiritually. People were perverting the Scripture for only sexual and sensual things. The people (bishops) were responsible to the people in the area. They were God's people, they are God's people, and they were in the Church... and they were being abused by the distortion of the Scripture.
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It is now of course just as divorce is NOW acceptable.
Just as NOW the Church accepts a heliocentric solar system.
Just as NOW a woman can serve at the alter.
Just as NOW] evolution can be harmonized with scripture.
Just as many many things the Catholic Church has had to change it`s stance on because it was so obviously wrong and simply unacceptable.

The point is the Catholic Church kept the scripture from it`s congregation and instead told the people their version of the story.
Much like the situation you earlier warned against in Islam.[/quote]
Not Exactly. They did not change their position, they grew to understand the situation better. Everything that happens in the world is already in Scripture, when it is new to "our" knowledge, it is important to get a handel on it, before teaching the wrong message.

God's word is rich and heavy, it sometimes takes a while to pear through it.
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God's word is rich and heavy, it sometimes takes a while to pear through it.
This is about the only thing I believe is true, the only problem is that the "Bible" is not "God's" word, it is many mens' (mis)interpretation of it. It is many mens' distortion of it for personal gain.
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don't pray for me take a good look at your beliefs you should pray that God can forgive you
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You should look at your own beliefs before you pass judgement
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