The Father of Neo Gnosticism (ritual, mystic, experience, spiritual)

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

Sadly my perception is also limited by the way my mind works...

I think that's true for everybody.

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

I imagine you can define the spirit world in a number of ways that are not really testible scientifically anyway, so until we can, we can keep on guessing.
Please let me know if you have a better picture!

Better? No, when it comes to trying to imagine the unimaginable, everyone's ideas are equal.

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

Thinking too much..hmm I dont really agree that it is possible to do so.

Yeah, lilithu put it better, explaining too much - i think if we try to explain the spirit world or the afterlife all we end up doing is constucting complex fantasy around a simple starting theory.

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by MysticSang'ha

Sure. I've enjoyed reading Carl Jung. His work was actually very important in our studies for me earning my graduate work in New York as a Certified Movement Analyst. Our focus was on his view of archetypes..........fascinating.



And since we studied Jung, we also HAD to study Buckminster Fuller. Both were contemporaries of and close to Rudolph Laban, who is the granddaddy of Laban Movement Analysis of which I am certified. Anyway, I used to have a mega-sized compilation of Jung's articles. Shame that I lent it to someone who hadn't given it back, but I do remember that I felt he hit the mark quite a bit.




Pretty cool, Simon.




Peace,
Mystic

Cool hehe

I rather suspected Buddhism has Jungian connections..
Still Buddhism is what I would define as a 'Gnostic' religion so I guess this isn't surprising!

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Yeah, lilithu put it better, explaining too much - i think if we try to explain the spirit world or the afterlife all we end up doing is constucting complex fantasy around a simple starting theory.

Indeed, but using the scientific method and a little intuition and from the minds of others...I believe we can peer through the veil...insane as that may sound.

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Better? No, when it comes to trying to imagine the unimaginable, everyone's ideas are equal.

Spoken like a true Gnostic.

Ok not better but one you agree with....

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

Indeed, but using the scientific method and a little intuition and from the minds of others...I believe we can peer through the veil...insane as that may sound.

You may be able to peer through the veil (insane as that may sound I think I've caught a glimpse or two) but would you be able to articulate what you saw afterwards? Could you explain it in a way that doesn't distort it?

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

Talking is idea sharing I imagine it helps us to understand better.

An old Taoist proverb goes: Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know. That said, the Taoists still spoke anyway, but they spoke in metaphor and simile and they cautioned that what they spoke was not the whole truth.

Yeah I know, we're talking Gnosticism here, not Taoism, but I think there is an essential truth in all mystical traditions. There is Truth, but more you try to pin it down the more you distort it.

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Yeah I know, we're talking Gnosticism here, not Taoism, but I think there is an essential truth in all mystical traditions. There is Truth, but more you try to pin it down the more you distort it.

In YOUR opinion. tell that to a Scientist lol

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

In YOUR opinion. tell that to a Scientist lol

I am a scientist. Or at least I was a biologist for several years. Science deals only with what one's senses can perceive (sometimes with the help of a lot of instumentation). Gnosticism, at least in the original sense, did not deal with sense perception.

[stemann]

Originally Posted by Simon Gnosis

In YOUR opinion. tell that to a Scientist lol

A scientist like, for instance, Heisenberg?

The more you know about the position of a particle, the less you know about its momentum. Just like:

Originally Posted by lilithu

There is Truth, but more you try to pin it down the more you distort it.

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by lilithu

I am a scientist. Or at least I was a biologist for several years. Science deals only with what one's senses can perceive (sometimes with the help of a lot of instumentation). Gnosticism, at least in the original sense, did not deal with sense perception.

Gnostiscm maybe not.

Iam not a Gnostic..exactly.

I am chemist though..pleased to meet a fellow scientist by the way

[Simon Gnosis]

Originally Posted by mr sahra-t

A scientist like, for instance, Heisenberg?

The more you know about the position of a particle, the less you know about its momentum. Just like:

Now your just being clever...

And were working on it...sadly our models are too inaccurate to describe what is really happening.
What we call a particle or a wave are just manifestations of our limitations...lies to children.