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Old 07-28-2006, 12:27 PM
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What if experiences interpreted as being of the divine, or the spiritual, are actually experiences of something real, physical, and naturally occurring. What if there are living things on the earth that are different, physiologically and physically, from the material we can normally see and experience. Many of us believe in black holes, black energy, and gravity and cannot see or measure them. What if these gods aren’t gods, and these spirits aren’t spirits, but are naturally occurring entities on earth? What would that mean for religion if we came to know them as such? Would we still worship them if we knew they were natural, as opposed to supernatural?
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:31 PM
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In a way, they are natural.
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:34 PM
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Actually, I believe what you're saying. I believe God and spirits are physcial, albeit, in such a pure sense that we are not aware of them with our natural senses.
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Interesting. I must have missed something in my study of Mormon cosmology. You both view them as such?
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I do.

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I'm afraid I can't really see what difference it would make.
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Well, if the gods are natural, then they aren't really creators and they aren't outside of reality, controling it. They are living here just like us. I wouldn't worship them. Just like I don't worship trees, or bees, or oceans.
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