Free will, determanism and all that (choices, choice)

[brooksie]

We have to conclude that corse and effect exists. Otherwise theres no point in trying to have an argument, ie someone could say anything and would not need to justify it, (if that makes any sense). So if everything has a corse and effect then we cant have free will coz everything’s been corsed by something. So basically we’re all made of atoms and atoms cant act spontaneously (by that i mean without corse)

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by brooksie

We have to conclude that corse and effect exists. Otherwise theres no point in trying to have an argument, ie someone could say anything and would not need to justify it, (if that makes any sense). So if everything has a corse and effect then we cant have free will coz everything’s been corsed by something. So basically we’re all made of atoms and atoms cant act spontaneously (by that i mean without corse)

Cause-and-effect objectively describes the world. Free wil is a subjective phenomenon, meaning it only exists from the perspective of the person executing an action.

Just as we have both perspectives, objective and subjective, we can have both cause-and-effect and free will. We just cannot look at them at the same time.

Atoms can't act spontaneously, but they can act (they can be the ones to act).

[Victor]

First and foremost, what in the world does "corse" mean?

[PureX]

I disagree that atoms can't act spontaneously. Independently they may not, but collectively, they may. Atoms, collected in a specific sequence, can create a thought. And thoughts, when collected and compared, create choices, which in turn can dictate the behavior of the collection of atoms.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Victor

First and foremost, what in the world does "corse" mean?

It means you're being pedantic.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by PureX

I disagree that atoms can't act spontaneously. Independently they may not, but collectively, they may. Atoms, collected in a specific sequence, can create a thought. And thoughts, when collected and compared, create choices, which in turn can dictate the behavior of the collection of atoms.

Then how are thoughts directed? For example, you directed your thoughts towards an answer to the question.

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Then how are thoughts directed? For example, you directed your thoughts towards an answer to the question.

We can retain some thoughts while having others. This allows us to compare and contrast thoughts and to assemble them into complexes of thoughts (ideas). I read someone else's "idea" and responded with an idea my own. But I could have chosen not to respond, or to respond with another idea. This wan't decided by the atoms, but by the thoughts that the atoms created.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Willamena

It means you're being pedantic.

As a precisionist, I'll take that as a compliment.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by PureX

I disagree that atoms can't act spontaneously. Independently they may not, but collectively, they may. Atoms, collected in a specific sequence, can create a thought. And thoughts, when collected and compared, create choices, which in turn can dictate the behavior of the collection of atoms.

Interesting....so what collection of thoughts created my childhood monster?