Free will, determanism and all that (choices, choice)

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by williaema

That person has defined a role that, when they fill that role with their being or their behavior, make them that paricular thing.

So we could probably go on to say that anything that eats is invoking, ideologically, consumerism?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

So we could probably go on to say that anything that eats is invoking, ideologically, consumerism?

If the person who eats does so because they are fulfilling the role of "the eater" for whatever reasons, then yeah.

Edit: Examples can be found in any religion --like Rastafarianism where the person is "the Rasta." It's not just something they do, but something they are because of their beliefs. They become the role.

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by williama

If the person who eats does so because they are "the eater" for whatever reasons, then yeah.

And what of the person (or animal) that is just eating?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

And what of the person (or animal) that is just eating?

What of them?

Edit: you appear, with your questions, to have a different idea of what an ideology is, so why not just say it?

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by Willamena

What of them?

Is the action of just eating also the execution of an ideology?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

Is the action of just eating also the execution of an ideology?

No, I don't believe so. Behavior is, though, since that stems from who we are.

The person who is "the Rastamon" will behave as Rasta because of what he believes, i.e. who he is. That is an expression of ideology.

To extend that to "the eater", the person who has defined that role for themselves, for whatever their reasons, and fulfills it by eating is expressing an ideology of "the eater". In that role, they will think of themselves and proclaim themselves to be "the eater."


My apologies to the OP for taking this thread off topic.

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by W

My apologies to the OP for taking this thread off topic.

No worries, here's a new, dedicated thread to save the day.

I've put a (mostly) complete recap if the mods would prefer to delete my posts for consistency.

[brooksie]

God created everything, i.e. he is (or would be) the first cause. Meaning everything is directly or indirectly caused by him. Everything I do is caused by him. So though it may appear I have free will I cant do

[Willamena]

That is predestination.