Is Paganism Too Sexy? (rituals, moral, pagans, sexuality, moral)

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

Isn't it odd that people should think pagans are odd for not thinking sex is dirty?

Centuries of political and religious sexual opression can't be cast off so easily. ^.-

[Kungfuzed]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

I have to agree with those who say nudity by itself has absolutely nothing to do with sex. I sometimes go for a soak in one or another of the clothing optional hot springs here in Colorado and I have noticed significantly less lewdness and much less gawking among the people who go nude at those pools than among the average joe and sally on the city streets. IME, people at clothing optional hot springs almost never look at strangers in an overtly sexual way, while people on the city streets do so frequently.

Being LDS for most of my life, and also a computer geek, I was in a constant state of wanting and not having. I'd gawk at just about anything that walked by. Now that I'm happily married and getting it whenever I want I find myself looking at other women alot less. I'm also alot more picky when I do look.

I also think that the people at those nude pools are desensitied to nudity. It's no big deal to them because they do it all the time. Also, most people aren't getting it as often as they would like, especially men. Ask any man if he wouldn't mind having more sex than he's already getting.

[kreeden]

Originally Posted by KSojourner

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you on this. You can have perverts - as in the kind that take sex to an extreme like child porn or rapists. In that case, it is wrong.

An " extreme " usually has an opposite . In this case , wouldn't a person who flails theirslves becaise of " unpure thoughts " be just as much a pervert as a rapist ? Assuming that harming another isn't a part of the defination of pervert .

Just a thought ...

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Kungfuzed

Ask any man if he wouldn't mind having more sex than he's already getting.

Ummm... This is just a quibble, but I'm a man. I'm celibate. And I'm pretty sure I'm getting all the sex I want, which is none.

Back to the OP: Are Pagans "easy"? Or, does that depend on the Pagan? And even if Pagans are "easy", does that matter? Would it be a good thing? A bad thing? A doesn't matter thing?

What I'm trying to get at here is that the notion you should be "hard to get" seems to be based at least in part on Abrahamic religion. Some say the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God wants you to wait for marriage, etc. But if that God is not your God, does it matter whether you are virtuous by the standards of those religions or not? Is there anything in Paganism that speaks to the issue of sexual morality? Or, is Paganism pretty much open to any sexual morality? Is sexual morality even a religious issue in Paganism? And what does Paganism say about Acme Latex Love Dolls?

[gnostic]

Sexy? I have never thought it in that way, Sunstone.

The problem with monotheists, like the Muslims and Christians, is that they think of sex as being pervert, but that's really depends on perspective.

I personally don't see fertility as being obscene. Fertility and sex is afterall - natural. How can anything in nature be consider as obscene?

Afterall, didn't the OT God tell them to go forth and multiply?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by gnostic

The problem with monotheists, like the Muslims and Christians, is that they think of sex as being pervert, but that's really depends on perspective.

This seems like a case of aliens landing in the Sahara and declaring the entire earth a desert.

A bit too general of a generalization, methinks.

To quite a few monotheists, sex is a *mitzvot*, provided it's in its proper context.

[gnostic]

Nah! The aliens should have abolish all forms of religion coming out of the Middle East, and declare them atheistic pacficists. The spread of these religions had made the rest of the world such sexual prudes.

Oops! Did I say that out loud?

[Radio Frequency X]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Is Paganism preocuppied with sex? Is the religion too full of sex for its own good? Do Pagans need to add more respect for sexuality to their religion? Or, do they have the right balance now?

I think that pagans (for the most part) have a very proper relationship with and view of sex, fertility, and love.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Is it lewd to conduct rituals skyclad (i.e. nude)?

In many ways this type of ritual makes logical sense. When worshipping the natural, why bother bringing in the unnatural?

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Are fertility rites immoral? Is it wrong to celebrate the fertility of nature, crops, and people?

This is one of the oldest and most rewarding pagan traditions. I can't see anything negative in it.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Does Paganism simply accept sex for what it is and for the role sex plays in our lives and in nature, or does it go overboard?

Some pagans go overboard. Some don't. Some are just right. For the most part, I would say that pagans have a proper understanding in this regard.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Is the Pagan insistence that sex is not sinful immoral?

It is moral.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Is the Pagan insistence that sex is not sinful healthier than the insistence of some others that sex is indeed sinful?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Does your little sister or little brother know you go on the internet to talk about wild Pagan sex? Will he or she tell mom?

Is this a joke? or a serious question?