Why God didn't make the body perfect? (creation, suicide, diseases)

[Terrywoodenpic]

If there were no religion, no one would expect our bodies to be perfect.
Some animals have better adapted bodies, to live in the conditions they have adopted.

Our bodies are slowly adapting, some elements of them becoming redundant, some changing to suit the present conditions better.

It may be that even Cancer. ( the uncontrolled growing of cells) is an attemt by our bodies to find a way to repair itself.
A beneficial cancer that is controlled by our changing dna, could one day become a reality, as a repair mechanism.

Our and many animals have "perfect" bodies in as much as they have the ability to change with conditions.
some animals suit their special conditions so well that the become extinct when those conditions change.

This indicates to me, that the Idea that God created man as we find him now. is wrong.
God created our blueprint with the ability to change.
God's world changes to both support, and destroy individual life. This is a living and changing world, and we change with it.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Indeed i had to do many posts today that's why i may miss some letters.

But it wasn't that grief mistake as the one i mentioned.

You mean grevious?

No typo here... I meant what I said.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

If there were no religion, no one would expect our bodies to be perfect.
Some animals have better adapted bodies, to live in the conditions they have adopted.

Our bodies are slowly adapting, some elements of them becoming redundant, some changing to suit the present conditions better.

It may be that even Cancer. ( the uncontrolled growing of cells) is an attemt by our bodies to find a way to repair itself.
A beneficial cancer that is controlled by our changing dna, could one day become a reality, as a repair mechanism.

Our and many animals have "perfect" bodies in as much as they have the ability to change with conditions.
some animals suit their special conditions so well that the become extinct when those conditions change.

This indicates to me, that the Idea that God created man as we find him now. is wrong.
God created our blueprint with the ability to change.
God's world changes to both support, and destroy individual life. This is a living and changing world, and we change with it.

I agree with every part here, apart from the need for God to have created our blueprint. Why must this be included in your opinion? I know it is your belief, but why is it?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

We've have been/are going over the need for a cause, in the thread Does the universe need a cause. Give it a read...

I'll read it and i'll come back later on "God willing" to tell you my opnion about it.

Thanks for the link ..

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

You mean grevious?

No typo here... I meant what I said.

Ok i take my words back, my apology.

[kreeden]

Why God didn't make the body perfect?

Perfection is a human concept . It is also the prefect limitation . Once something is perfect , it can become no better . No other of it's kind can be better . It is complete and will never be anything more then what it is .

All rather boring really .

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by kreeden

All rather boring really .

You saying God's boring?

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

You saying God's boring?

If God's boring, what about his followers? haha I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by TheTruth

Bring your evidence rather than the doubt and i think, i believe stuff if you don't mind.

There can be no proof or evidence of afterlife, heaven and hell, God and Satan, because it is totally unprovenable.

Since you are a believer, why don't you provide me with a single proof or evidence of real existence of Allah, Shayatin, angel, demon or djinn, other than that found in the Qur'an or Hadith? They seem no more than superstitions, myth or folklore, with no more substance than ghouls and goblins. I don't believe in fairytales, The_Truth. Do you?

Prove to me that your Allah created this world. That he created this universe. I only see natural phenomena, not divine, spiritual or supernatural phenomena. But if you, any Muslim or Christian, can prove any of the above divine or supernatural beings, then I will convert to Islam or Christianity, or whatever religion that provide me with that evidences.

I find preposterous that religious people ask me to prove something that don't exist except in so-called holy scriptures, without them proving them that they do exist. You are the one with the faith, not me. If you believe it to be true, then you or any religious person should not have trouble providing me with evidences.

Prove to me that any of you believe in have more substance than my dream. Prove to me that God have more substance than a flower. Can you prove that Allah or his angels are perfect?

I require more than just you quoting from the Qur'an or Hadith. And more than Christians quoting from the Bible. I want good, irrefutable hard evidence on the existence of divine or spiritual beings. Can you or anyone else provide me with such evidence that it has more substance than ghouls and goblins?

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by gnostic

There can be no proof or evidence of afterlife, heaven and hell, God and Satan, because it is totally unprovenable.

Since you are a believer, why don't you provide me with a single proof or evidence of real existence of Allah, Shayatin, angel, demon or djinn, other than that found in the Qur'an or Hadith? They seem no more than superstitions, myth or folklore, with no more substance than ghouls and goblins. I don't believe in fairytales, The_Truth. Do you?

Prove to me that your Allah created this world. That he created this universe. I only see natural phenomena, not divine, spiritual or supernatural phenomena. But if you, any Muslim or Christian, can prove any of the above divine or supernatural beings, then I will convert to Islam or Christianity, or whatever religion that provide me with that evidences.

I find preposterous that religious people ask me to prove something that don't exist except in so-called holy scriptures, without them proving them that they do exist. You are the one with the faith, not me. If you believe it to be true, then you or any religious person should not have trouble providing me with evidences.

Prove to me that any of you believe in have more substance than my dream. Prove to me that God have more substance than a flower. Can you prove that Allah or his angels are perfect?

I require more than just you quoting from the Qur'an or Hadith. And more than Christians quoting from the Bible. I want good, irrefutable hard evidence on the existence of divine or spiritual beings. Can you or anyone else provide me with such evidence that it has more substance than ghouls and goblins?

Theists, in my opinion and experience, rarely attempt to prove the existence of God anymore. I know that it is them claiming the existence of a mythical being, but it is still possible for us to disprove it logically. All you need to do is ask them what God is. The usual reply is the, omnipotent, omniscient, all-good, all-loving, transcendent, and so on, creator of the universe. After you have got your answer, you now can find ways of showing how these attributes contradict each other, and sometimes the very idea of an attribute such as omnipotence, or omniscience, is contradictory in itself. Once you show that they contradict, and no logical refutal is given, other than "We cannot comprehend God", or "God works in misterious ways", then you have proven, even only to yourself, that God is impossible, and cannot exist. Occasionaly you may plant a seed of doubt in the theist's mind, but this doesn't happen very often. They are too set on theeir beliefs for them to be swayed. When you ask why they still believe, they usually give "faith" as a reason...Faith: "a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence" is not sufficient in my opinion, but for some reason it is to many people . lol