Why God didn't make the body perfect? (creation, suicide, diseases)

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Booko

I was thinking more of things that can be done to prevent them in the first place, but alas, that would be a thread for the Health & Healing forum.

Yeah, no one should have to go through chemo. Someday we will think that's as barbaric as the definition of "surgery" during the Civil War.

Yeah chemo is horrible stuff. I know, i've went through it. That's probably why i've got such strong feelings against suffering.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Cool, let's elect you "God" so you can do this. Until such time as you assume that roll however, reality means that "not pleasant" will entail "suffering".

So you disagree with how God does things? I disagree with the Whitehouse, but I don't use that as evidence that they don't exist.

I never said that not pleasant means that its horrible or entails suffering. It could just be not pleasant, but not unpleasant. Just bland(for want of a betetr word). I believe in a god to agree or disagree with. I disagree with the way people perceive God. And if he does exist, then yes, i would disagree. The whitehouse aren't considered all-good and loving.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Poster

As someone else pointed out, you are trying to use Logic when talking about religion, when it comes to religion there is no Logic.
Logic just gets in the way of belief.

Maybe from the point of view of others, me for one, religious belief gets in the way of logic.

[michel]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

Maybe from the point of view of others, me for one, religious belief gets in the way of logic.

Do you see logic in a piece of music ? in a novel, or a stage play ?

[pandamonk]

If so, the burden is on you to explain how/why.

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Whoa! This smacks of intellectual laziness. Why don't YOU prove the opposite?

I cannot prove the opposite. What I have done, which i see you failed to quote, is ask questions which switch the burden of proof to the theist(angellous_evangellous). He has conceded this and said that he is unable to explain God and why he allows sin.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by michel

Do you see logic in a piece of music ? in a novel, or a stage play ?

Yes. Music, novels and stage plays are structured in a logical way to make them understandable, and enjoyable for us.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

If so, the burden is on you to explain how/why. I cannot prove the opposite.

Of course you can't... it's simply not true. Why should your inability to prove a false statement cause us more work? It's YOUR assertion so YOU need to prove it one way or the other.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Of course you can't... it's simply not true. Why should your inability to prove a false statement cause us more work? It's YOUR assertion so YOU need to prove it one way or the other.

Give what i said a wee read. I was asking questions to which the theist should answer(to carry on the debate). These questions, if i got the answer i was looking for, do prove my point, i cannot therefore prove these questions to prove my point(that doesn't make sense, but that is what you are asking for). If the theist answers these questions with anything other that which i am looking for, then in my opinion it is illogical, and it is up to the theist to prove how it is possible.And like i said, angellous_evangellous relised this, and answered that he cannot know how God works.

[Shadow Wolf]

If thier was only perfect bodies, that would mean no one would die, except for extreme injuries such as gun shots that completly destroy a vital organ, decapitation, etc., as our bodies could adapt to any envirnment or situation. Having birth and little death would mean an over population problem on an epic scale.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Shadow Wolf

If thier was only perfect bodies, that would mean no one would die, except for extreme injuries such as gun shots that completly destroy a vital organ, decapitation, etc., as our bodies could adapt to any envirnment or situation. Having birth and little death would mean an over population problem on an epic scale.

We have, to some extent, covered this. Perfection does not entail no death. For if there was no death there would be vast overpopulation etc, which would, i'm sure you'll agree, be less than perfect.