Why God didn't make the body perfect? (creation, suicide, diseases)

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

Then why does God allow the sin? For our free will? But is our free will worth the sin and imperfection? If so, the burden is on you to explain how/why.

If I could explain God, I would gladly do so.

I have no idea why God allows sin. I've recently speculated that God made a mistake by allowing humanity to sin, and the cross serves as atonement for God's mistake and humanity's sins.

I have suggested that freewill is not worth the sin and imperfection.

Process Theology of the Cross
God's Judgement
Christian responsibility to beg for mercy
Angellous' Reaffirmation of the Divine

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

I did not say that dying should be pleasant, i said that we shouldn't suffer.

Cool, let's elect you "God" so you can do this. Until such time as you assume that roll however, reality means that "not pleasant" will entail "suffering".

So you disagree with how God does things? I disagree with the Whitehouse, but I don't use that as evidence that they don't exist.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

If so, the burden is on you to explain how/why.

Whoa! This smacks of intellectual laziness. Why don't YOU prove the opposite?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

We may find a scientific way to control it(we already have, chemotherapy)and there are many natural things that some claim help, essiac tea, but none cure all cancers every time, and the ones which are used now (chemo) are horrible. Noone should ever have to go through that.

I was thinking more of things that can be done to prevent them in the first place, but alas, that would be a thread for the Health & Healing forum.

Yeah, no one should have to go through chemo. Someday we will think that's as barbaric as the definition of "surgery" during the Civil War.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by Booko

Is a sprout imperfect because it isn't yet a tree?

Booko, just because I don't believe in perfection, it doesn't mean that I don't see the beauty in the imperfection nature. In fact, that’s where all beauty laid: in their imperfection, not in perfection.

Beauty is also subjective to a person's perspective.

Perfection is a human concept that has little or no basis on fact. It is in imperfection, that we can grow and evolve.

Originally Posted by The Truth

This life is a test and if you have experince about the abrahamic beliefs you will know that we were living in heaven and we were perfect there 100% and of course heaven is much greater than perfection.

That's ridiculous. Even if there is a heaven, you would never be perfect. No one will. I don't think living in heaven. You are only making assumption that you will perfect once you are living in heaven.

According to the Judaic literature, even angels are not perfect. If we are to believe in Satan, then you would see that he was at one time the most beautiful of all angels (it is said that archangels only have 4 wings, but Satan had six), but had fallen to due to his pride. Many angels had followed him in his fall.

However, I don't believe in any nonsense about angels, fallen angels, demons and djinns, any more than I'd believe in Satan.

Therefore, you can't judge this life because God told us this is a temporary life and it's a test for us so we get sick and we die in this life but no death in the hereafter, no diseases, no hate, just love, happiness and perfection.

You have to understand first what is the meaning of God in order to understand this life.

Life and death is a natural phenomena. The only way we can live on or renew our life, is through our children, and children's children, since they would carry out genes, DNA, or whatever you want to call it.

Afterlife is only a basis on faith and religious teaching, and so far it has no basis in reality and the afterlife are merely illusions with no more substance than a dream.

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Sorry, let me correct that last statement.

My dreams have more substances than this God, Satan, angels, demons, afterlife, heaven, hell, etc.

[Poster]

As someone else pointed out, you are trying to use Logic when talking about religion, when it comes to religion there is no Logic.
Logic just gets in the way of belief.

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by Poster

As someone else pointed out, you are trying to use Logic when talking about religion, when it comes to religion there is no Logic.
Logic just gets in the way of belief.

Actually for me, logic and my belief go hand in hand, but nobody else seems to think so.

[jamaesi]

As someone else pointed out, you are trying to use Logic when talking about religion, when it comes to religion there is no Logic.
Logic just gets in the way of belief.

I believe peace, love, compassion, fellowship, and tolerance to be very logical and all of those are part of my religion.

I also find believing that we are all perfect as we are, however or by whoever you believe us to be made and whatever "imperfections" we have to just to better us and help us learn important life lessons pretty logical, too.