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Old 07-21-2006, 02:22 PM
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No,

that's not a "standard" Christian belief. No where do the scriptures indicate that God created us perfectly.
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Old 07-21-2006, 04:34 PM
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Why do you think it's not perfect, though? Perhaps God's idea of perfection differs from yours/ours.
That is a really interesting idea. But does that mean that the word “perfect” has no meaning when talking about “God”? And then by extending that idea, words like “good” or “evil” would also have no meaning. Something to think about?
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But it isn't perfect. And it isn't perfect because it wasn't created by a perfect god. We are a naturally developing organism.
1) How do you know that God isn't perfect?
2) What do you mean excatly by "we are naturally developing organism"?

Before we talk about the developing stuff tell about the creation itself and how human being can come to existance by chance? (ignore this question if it was off-topic)
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Old 07-23-2006, 09:05 AM
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If by perfect you mean "greater than that which nothing greater can be concieved" then no. Because what TheMINI has shown is that we can concieve of a greater way to "create".
You mean human beings for instance can create ceatures the same as God can do so?
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I believe mind and body are connected. In the sense of Christian perfection, would a body be perfect where mind is Christian?
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1) How do you know that God isn't perfect?
2) What do you mean excatly by "we are naturally developing organism"?

Before we talk about the developing stuff tell about the creation itself and how human being can come to existance by chance? (ignore this question if it was off-topic)
Creation implies a creator. Human beings come to existence by chance through evolution. I think this is what is meant by "we are naturally developing organism".
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:26 AM
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You mean human beings for instance can create ceatures the same as God can do so?
Who knows what God can do. We don't even know if God exists.
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I'm coming into this a little late but I had to say something about this...

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I'm sure that the blind/people with glasses/people with extra fingers/people born without hands don't share your same sentiment that the human body is a "perfect creation."
You would be surprised about how many disabled people consider their bodies "perfect" as they are.

I am fine with my deafness and other physical disabilities (I could do without so much pain, though). The only problems I ever run into are lack of public accomodations for the disabled and negative opinions of the disabled and disablities.

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I personally don't think there is any such thing as perfect in this world...or even in this universe. Perfection is a matter of one's perspective, and therefore subjective.

If this God, which the Abrahamic religions worshipped, does exist, I don't think he is perfect, simply because how can a perfect being create anything that is imperfect. Everything is imperfect because this god is imperfect.
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I personally don't think there is any such thing as perfect in this world...or even in this universe. Perfection is a matter of one's perspective, and therefore subjective.

If this God, which the Abrahamic religions worshipped, does exist, I don't think he is perfect, simply because how can a perfect being create anything that is imperfect. Everything is imperfect because this god is imperfect.
In all actuality we have no idea what a perfect being can and cannot do - or for that matter what it would or would not do. It's entirely possible that a perfect being could create something imperfect.

I believe that God is perfect - therefore I believe that it is possible for a perfect being to create this world (because I believe He did )
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