Why God didn't make the body perfect? (creation, suicide, diseases)

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Nope... just proving that you are biased to what YOUR CONCEPT of perfection is. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder so to speak. You look for physical perfection, and I look for spiritual perfection. Either way, both of us are prejudiced as to what that perfection "is", and probably neither of us is right. (Well, I know you're not, but I still may be! )

And another thing, you have proved nothing about Radio Frequency X's bias. How do you know that Radio Frequency X looks for physical perfection? And how do you know that Radio Frequency X is not right?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by gnostic

There can be no proof or evidence of afterlife, heaven and hell, God and Satan, because it is totally unprovenable.

How do you know if your brain exist or not and you haven't seen it yet?

You feel it right?

We also feel the existance of God and we are sure that he can do anything he wants and if you just tried to have a look at this universe you gonna realize that this world can't come to existance by chance.

Since you are a believer, why don't you provide me with a single proof or evidence of real existence of Allah, Shayatin, angel, demon or djinn, other than that found in the Qur'an or Hadith? They seem no more than superstitions, myth or folklore, with no more substance than ghouls and goblins. I don't believe in fairytales, The_Truth. Do you?

Prove to me that your Allah created this world. That he created this universe. I only see natural phenomena, not divine, spiritual or supernatural phenomena. But if you, any Muslim or Christian, can prove any of the above divine or supernatural beings, then I will convert to Islam or Christianity, or whatever religion that provide me with that evidences.

We are not here to convert you or anyone else but to discuss and whether you convert or not, this is your own choice.

I find preposterous that religious people ask me to prove something that don't exist except in so-called holy scriptures, without them proving them that they do exist. You are the one with the faith, not me. If you believe it to be true, then you or any religious person should not have trouble providing me with evidences.

Prove to me that any of you believe in have more substance than my dream. Prove to me that God have more substance than a flower. Can you prove that Allah or his angels are perfect?

I require more than just you quoting from the Qur'an or Hadith. And more than Christians quoting from the Bible. I want good, irrefutable hard evidence on the existence of divine or spiritual beings. Can you or anyone else provide me with such evidence that it has more substance than ghouls and goblins?

Ok, i can give you proofs.

Why don't we start with this:

If you want to watch click here: http://www.harunyahya.com/m_video_miracles_quran.php

If you want to read click here: http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01.php


Peace and blessing,

The Truth ..

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Ok, i can give you proofs.

Oh NO!

You're not another one of those Muslims who believe in "scientific miracles" of the Qur'an.

I have come across many of these so-called "scientific miracles" and "scientific Qur'an" when I had spent my time in islam dot com forums.

The Muslims there have the tendency to quote from the Qur'an on vague passages that can be interpreted any way you like, and taking the passages "out of context", but that doesn't make it "scientific". Please, The Truth, I don't mean no offence to you, but I've already bellyful of such interpretations and quotes from Muslims. You may called it miracles if you like, but please don't tell me it is also scientific and that Allah is resposible for those science.

It seem would seem that Muslims and Islam have as much in common with Christians and Christianity in taking their scriptures out of context whenever it suit them.

[clark]

If a person has been programmed to believe something they will believe it, it is the hardest thing in the world to De-Programme someone, after all, they have believed it all of their lives they cannot just throw a switch and change their minds, that is just not possible, it takes time and a reason, the loss of a loved one often makes them analyse their beliefs,
otherwise nothing anyone says will influence them away from their beliefs, what they believe is the Gods gospel truth.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by gnostic

It seem would seem that Muslims and Islam have as much in common with Christians and Christianity in taking their scriptures out of context whenever it suit them.

And then getting on at us for doing the same.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by clark

If a person has been programmed to believe something they will believe it, it is the hardest thing in the world to De-Programme someone, after all, they have believed it all of their lives they cannot just throw a switch and change their minds, that is just not possible, it takes time and a reason, the loss of a loved one often makes them analyse their beliefs,
otherwise nothing anyone says will influence them away from their beliefs, what they believe is the Gods gospel truth.

And don't i know it!!! lol

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

And another thing, you have proved nothing about Radio Frequency X's bias. How do you know that Radio Frequency X looks for physical perfection? And how do you know that Radio Frequency X is not right?

Easy... he's not perfect like me!

[Radio Frequency X]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Easy... he's not perfect like me!

No, it's just that my perfection is more subtle.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Oh NO!

You're not another one of those Muslims who believe in "scientific miracles" of the Qur'an.

I have come across many of these so-called "scientific miracles" and "scientific Qur'an" when I had spent my time in islam dot com forums.

The Muslims there have the tendency to quote from the Qur'an on vague passages that can be interpreted any way you like, and taking the passages "out of context", but that doesn't make it "scientific". Please, The Truth, I don't mean no offence to you, but I've already bellyful of such interpretations and quotes from Muslims. You may called it miracles if you like, but please don't tell me it is also scientific and that Allah is resposible for those science.

It seem would seem that Muslims and Islam have as much in common with Christians and Christianity in taking their scriptures out of context whenever it suit them.

Do you have problem with verses pointing out scintifc facts because you don't believe that God might know about this or somthing?

Or it's the case that you want God to tell you in details hey gnostic, i'm your God by the way and the thing is like that and that???????

God doesn't need us but we need him, that's why he sent prophet Mohammed as a mercy to us.

Allah knows well that even he showed such a thing in details people will still argue and debate it.

Be wise and open your heart for the truth when it comes to you.

Peace and blessing,

[Bishka]

Why didn't God make the body perfect? Silly question, he did.