Christians vow to break smacking law !!! (punishment, experience, bible, organizations)

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Fluffy

Surely Doktormartini has given you the scripture you are looking for?

I wasn't looking for anything because i thought such verses don't exist in the bible. When i was reading in the website i saw some verses from the bible which was almost the same teaching as in islam, about respecting parents for instance but these verses from the bible which mention the stone thing was a real shock to me.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by CaptainXeroid

I wish I could help, but the passage Doktormartini quoted does not speak to discipline of a child and therefore is not applicable to this thread.

Deuteronomy 18: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father ...

Are you sure?

this passage speaks to parents of a grown son who has strayed from what his parents taught him.

In this case they can stone him?

[Poster]

Forget the bible, even monkeys smack their offsprings to teach them right from wrong,
try watching your child running into the road after you have shouted stop five times,
you have to be cruel to be kind, to use words like physical abuse is ridiculous, if you love
your child you owe it to them to bring them up properly, a smack on the legs gives meaning to your words,
otherwise they just shut off and stop listening, children love boundaries, if they don't
know where the line is how do they know they have crossed it? confusion reigns and
they become frustrated, set out the rules with an occasional smack and children can relax and enjoy life.
no need for abuse, in fact child abusers should be crushed.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Poster

Forget the bible, even monkeys smack their offsprings to teach them right from wrong,
try watching your child running into the road after you have shouted stop five times,
you have to be cruel to be kind, to use words like physical abuse is ridiculous, if you love
your child you owe it to them to bring them up properly, a smack on the legs gives meaning to your words,
otherwise they just shut off and stop listening, children love boundaries, if they don't
know where the line is how do they know they have crossed it? confusion reigns and
they become frustrated, set out the rules and children can relax and enjoy life.

Funny, my kids are 15 and 17, and we've never smacked them. They do seem to be rather obedient and well-behaved, all the same.

We've had to insist they hold our hands to keep them out of the street in the first place. We've managed to keep them from burning themselves without smacking them either, though given a choice between allowing my child to get burned and moving their hand out of the way, obviously I'd move the hand out of the way.

Children certainly need limits.

It does not follow that smacking them is required to set limits.

And actually, now that you mention it, when my parents smacked me when I was growing up, I always "got back" at them later on.

It's amazing how repressed anger always finds an outlet.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Booko

Funny, my kids are 15 and 17, and we've never smacked them. They do seem to be rather obedient and well-behaved, all the same.

We've had to insist they hold our hands to keep them out of the street in the first place. We've managed to keep them from burning themselves without smacking them either, though given a choice between allowing my child to get burned and moving their hand out of the way, obviously I'd move the hand out of the way.

Children certainly need limits.

It does not follow that smacking them is required to set limits.

And actually, now that you mention it, when my parents smacked me when I was growing up, I always "got back" at them later on.

It's amazing how repressed anger always finds an outlet.

I was also smacked as a child but it never occured to me to 'get back' at them,
they smacked me when I had done wrong, they never once smacked me for nothing.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Poster

I was also smacked as a child but it never occured to me to 'get back' at them,
they smacked me when I had done wrong, they never once smacked me for nothing.

I recall most clearly being smacked, and then asking what I was being smacked for, which got me an extra smacking.

Uh huh...that was helpful.

When it comes to "getting back" -- it wasn't so much a conscious thing, like "I'll get you for that!" as it was the subconscious at work. But it's funny how something would always get broken a day or so after I got spanked for something.

When I was sent to my room, it didn't happen. I just had time to calm down and reflect instead. And at some point I usually admitted to myself that my folks had a point.

On another note, my husband and his brothers were never smacked either. They turned out to be decent guys with a moral center. They didn't grow to think that problems can be solved through violence or that was an appropriate way to get what you wanted.

For my part, I had to do some work to ditch such ideas, because I sure did grow up with them.

[Tigress]

Originally Posted by Booko

Funny, my kids are 15 and 17, and we've never smacked them. They do seem to be rather obedient and well-behaved, all the same.

We've had to insist they hold our hands to keep them out of the street in the first place. We've managed to keep them from burning themselves without smacking them either, though given a choice between allowing my child to get burned and moving their hand out of the way, obviously I'd move the hand out of the way.

Children certainly need limits.

It does not follow that smacking them is required to set limits.

And actually, now that you mention it, when my parents smacked me when I was growing up, I always "got back" at them later on.

It's amazing how repressed anger always finds an outlet.

Frubals. "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out." - Chinese Proverb

[Scuba Pete]

So, y'all are willing to have YOUR WILL imposed on these people in regards to raising their children? Not me! Why is that? Do you think you are superior to them and so have a right to foist your parenting philosophies on them?

Spanking is not abuse. You may be a super parent and are able to reason with a 3 year old, I was not that skilled. I did what I thought was best for my child and given a chance to do it again, I would probably do it much the same way. My kids feel LOVED and not abused. However, my mother never spanked me: she only belittled me when she got angry. I would rather have been spanked, thank you very much.

[may]

Originally Posted by Booko

Oh, that's hardly unique. We had quite a case of it here in Atlanta a few years back.

The usual quote is "Spare the rod -- spoil the child."

It never occurs to such people that that "rod" is a shepherd's crook, and it is used to tap a sheep who has gone astray to guide him back to the right path. It is NOT used to beat the snot out of the sheep.

true i agree, getting to the meaning of words in the bible is the way to go.
In fact, "the one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline. proverbs 13;4
Proverbs 8:33 says, "Listen to discipline" not, ‘Feel discipline.’
And Proverbs 17:10 points out that "a rebuke works deeper in one having understanding than striking a stupid one a hundred times."
Deuteronomy 11:19 recommends preventive discipline, taking advantage of casual moments to instill moral values in one’s children. Thus, the Bible’s view of discipline is balanced.
The word "rod" is translated from the Hebrew word she´vet. To the Hebrews, she´vet meant a stick or a staff, such as that used by a shepherd. In this context the rod of authority suggests loving guidance, not harsh brutality.—Psalm 23:4.
discipline is not an emotional outlet for the parent. Rather, it is a method of instruction. As such, it should teach an erring child. When administered in anger, physical discipline teaches the wrong lesson. It serves the need of the parent, not that of the child.