Christians vow to break smacking law !!! (punishment, experience, bible, organizations)

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Victor

I would come to no conclusion without getting clarification of:
.....the reasonable use of force to discipline children.

This isn't necessarily child abuse.

Originally Posted by CaptainXeroid

Child abuse is a crime and does cause long term physical and emotional damage to the child, but reasonable corporal punishment is not child abuse.

I agree ..

[michel]

Originally Posted by Booko

Oh, that's hardly unique. We had quite a case of it here in Atlanta a few years back.

The usual quote is "Spare the rod -- spoil the child."

It never occurs to such people that that "rod" is a shepherd's crook, and it is used to tap a sheep who has gone astray to guide him back to the right path. It is NOT used to beat the snot out of the sheep.

Too true.......and 'spoiling' (taken litterally, as in 'giving in to every demand) only makes for more problems in the future.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Booko

Oh, that's hardly unique. We had quite a case of it here in Atlanta a few years back.

The usual quote is "Spare the rod -- spoil the child."

It never occurs to such people that that "rod" is a shepherd's crook, and it is used to tap a sheep who has gone astray to guide him back to the right path. It is NOT used to beat the snot out of the sheep.

Frubals ..

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Doktormartini

Ok well the Bible says to give your first born son to God, stone your children if they disobey, and all this other crazy stuff that I don't see them doing.

Where in the bible does it say so?

[Doktormartini]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Where in the bible does it say so?

KJV

Deuteronomy 18: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chasened him, will not hearken unto them:
19: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20: And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21: And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die; so shalt thou put evil aawy from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
22: And if a man ihave commited a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
23: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

[TashaN]

I guess there is somthing missing in here within the text. Maybe our Christians friends in here might help to make it clear for us.

[Fluffy]

I guess there is somthing missing in here within the text. Maybe our Christians friends in here might help to make it clear for us.

Surely Doktormartini has given you the scripture you are looking for?

I think hitting a child equates to child abuse (by hit I mean hit not tap... keep in mind that a child is far more sensitive to pain that an adult, however) and I do not agree with it regardless what the Bible says on the matter.

[CaptainXeroid]

Originally Posted by The Truth

I guess there is somthing missing in here within the text. Maybe our Christians friends in here might help to make it clear for us.

I wish I could help, but the passage Doktormartini quoted does not speak to discipline of a child and therefore is not applicable to this thread. Children living at home under their parent's care are highly unlikely to be refered to as gluttons or drunkards, so it is more likely this passage speaks to parents of a grown son who has strayed from what his parents taught him.

BTW, he left off the chapter, so what he cited is Deut 21:18-23.

[kateyes]

A swat on the rear or a slap on the hand--if a far cry from child abuse and never did a child any harm. Clearly I do not believe in beating a child--that is child abuse. But frankly I got a few swats as a child--and generally that is exactly what was needed to get my attention. I was never struck with anything other than an open hand--and would never strike a child with anything other than that myself. I have seen and known a good number of children who would have benefited from a swat now and again--vs a "time out". I do not think ANYONE including children and animals should be struck on the head, or anywhere other than the rear end or hand.